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  • Thu, Nov 4 2010 2:18 PM

    Will a Lacie Rugged drive work thru Firewire 400 on my HP laptop

    I use a reseller-supplied Startech Expresscard to 1394 adaptor to connect my certified HP 8730w latop to an SDI Mojo. I'm now going on an extended shoot to a rural area in South-Africa where I'll need bus-powered storage as we'll be doing field editing by powering the laptop from a vehicle. As we'll be shooting 1080i P2, I'd prefer not to use USB, although that miraculously worked with a dual USB cable connection when I tried it with a short 10min sequence in green/green mode!

    I'm looking at a 1TB Lacie Rugged drive >> http://www.lacie.com/intl/products/product.htm?pid=11030. If I connect this via the Firewire 400 cable and the Startech expresscard adaptor to my laptop, will it work? The laptop's only onboard 1394 connection is the small firewire connector, and I doubt that it's powered for an external drive.

    Any ideas? I'd hate to buy the drive just to find out that I can only use the USB connection.

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  • Fri, Nov 5 2010 11:30 AM In reply to

    Re: Will a Lacie Rugged drive work thru Firewire 400 on my HP laptop

    Hi,

    I don't know about that specific configuration, but I can tell you I was able to connect a firewire drive to my HP laptop through an expresscard adaptor.  I was doing this so I could connect a camera through the built in firewire at the same time, so it's not the exact same situation, but Media Composer didn't have any difficulties recognizing the drive through the adaptor.

    Hope that helps.

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  • Fri, Nov 5 2010 11:58 AM In reply to

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    Re: Will a Lacie Rugged drive work thru Firewire 400 on my HP laptop

    Hi

    if you are using tapeless ackuisition, I would highly recommend to go for a safe-stripe solution. I used one of Lacies Big Quadra with a 12V out of the shelf stabilized car adapter. These drives accept 12V input. And on top, you get a faster connection (for HD) if you buy a drive with eSATA.

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  • Fri, Nov 5 2010 10:49 PM In reply to

    Re: Will a Lacie Rugged drive work thru Firewire 400 on my HP laptop

    magus:
    And on top, you get a faster connection (for HD) if you buy a drive with eSATA.

     

    I agree with Magnus about eSATA.  I'm using a 2TB Lacie Quadra with eSata and it works great!   I'm pretty sure your 8730 has an eSata port.    Regardless of what brand of hard drive you decide on, definately go with eSATA over FW 400.  

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  • Sat, Nov 6 2010 5:34 AM In reply to

    Re: Will a Lacie Rugged drive work thru Firewire 400 on my HP laptop

    Thanks for the replies. I am indeed using eSata for HD editing.

    My question about Firewire 400 is for a purely battery-powered situation, in other words where the laptop itself has to power the devices connected to it. In the field I won't have the facilities to externally power a firewire drive. Dual USB works, I was just wondering about Firewire 400.

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  • Sat, Nov 6 2010 2:27 PM In reply to

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    Re: Will a Lacie Rugged drive work thru Firewire 400 on my HP laptop

    The 4 pin FW port on the 8730w definitely will not supply power to the drive. I imagine the Startech card, if it has 6 pin connectors would though I can't be sure of this. Surely USB would give you the same bandwidth as FW, it would just add a small load to system resources, but the 8730w would have enough horsepower to cope I would have thought.

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  • Sat, Nov 6 2010 3:03 PM In reply to

    Re: Will a Lacie Rugged drive work thru Firewire 400 on my HP laptop

    "... Surely USB would give you the same bandwidth as FW ..."

    Actually, no, it won't.  Different desgns, different performance.  From the Wiki:

    "... These and other differences reflect the differing design goals of the two buses: USB was designed for  simplicity and low cost, while FireWire was designed for high performance, particularly in time-sensitive applications such as audio and video. Although similar in theoretical maximum transfer rate, FireWire 400 is faster than USB 2.0 Hi-Bandwidth in real-use, especially in high-bandwidth use such as external hard-drives ..."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus#Transfer_speeds_in_practice

    Meanwhile, if all you have is USB 2.0, e.g. on a laptop, then it "can" provide adequate bandwidth for offline editing.

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  • Sat, Nov 6 2010 4:07 PM In reply to

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    Re: Will a Lacie Rugged drive work thru Firewire 400 on my HP laptop

    My mistake. Although I will say that I've used a USB2 external drive with my 8730w with great success, even using AMA 720p P2 files. Haven't really tried it with 1080p though. I've also had real problems using eSata with this laptop; total corruption of media folders due to bad writes. I suspect a bad eSata chip on the laptop or drive but until I can narrow it down, I stay well clear of this method of connecting drives. Roll on USB3.

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