NICKB:

Joe M:

LW is not ready for prime time... and, not really sure if it ever will be...

 

Wow what a statement

I have been editing network tv shows for the past 15 years on lightworks and i am not the only one!

Loads of big features have also been cut on it, so yes it is a real editor.

 

As to this open source version i think you need to have the right mindset 'a developers mindset' and that you enjoy tech problems and not see a crash as a negative but umn why did it crash how can we fix it attitude, however the underlying code has been very stable for years so this version has a good chance of being sorted.

I am not suppose to take a crash as a negative?   Wow... now THAT is a statement... how about 30 crashes in just one project within about about 1 hr. of trying to use the application for the simpliest of editing functions?  Or, how about not being successful in exporting a HD video file to a Cineform MOV file with ANY file format over 7.5 megs?  If you can't export, then the applilcation is dead in the water... that's not a bug... that's a deal killer.

If the underlying code is stable, then give me that version until they get some serious bugs worked out with the public beta version... because, LW has what I think some very useful aspects.

No doubt LW must have worked at some point and time... but, version 10b is NOT one of them - not even close.  And... without ever seeing one of the working versions of LW... my first thoughts are that this company makes a bunch of crap... and, I don't think this was the intent of EditShare when they introduced this public beta nor do I think they make crap... but, LW 10b does not exactly put a positive light on the companies reputation.  As a general rule, most users do not have a developers mindset.  I hope this release doesn't shoot EditShare in the foot.

Joe Sounds like you should return the product and ask for your money back.

good one...

...actually, what I would like to do is buy the useable version... but, I don't see where that is possible.

My issue has more to do with LW being distributed as such low level development version... for an application that such great potential.  That's not a good way to promote the future of LW - IMHO. 

As far as i know they still sell the full turnkey system (about $20,000)

PC's love to crash due to conflicts as we all know, maybe there is something about your system that lightworks does not like that is causing all this?

Could even be the media files

One for the Lightworks beta support forum rather than Avid!

 

All i know is that it has been a great editor in the past.

 

 

On another note i see Avid DS product page has been updated with some new video's

 

Avid DS video tutorials and training

'Avid DS for media composer users' and 'Avid DS for Final Cut users' so release must be soon, but don't bother with the video's yet they are the wrong ones! (place holders i guess.)

http://www.avid.com/US/products/dssystem

Whoa!.... $20,000 US dollars?  No wonder this isn't exactly a commonly used (or known) editing application.

At that price range compared to it's competitors... I just don't see it being worth that much... unless when you say turnkey system... there is a LOT of hardware associated with it.

It might be better continuing this discussion over at the Lightworks forum.  I know that a lot of you guys are already over there anyway, but this is an Avid forum when all's said and done.

jwrl:

It might be better continuing this discussion over at the Lightworks forum.

I think that is a wise recommendation, given this from the terms of use:

"AVID reserves the right, in its sole discretion, to take any actions with respect to Posted Information that it deems are appropriate, including but not limited to rejecting, editing, moving, or deleting Posted Information..."

Please consider that the content of this thread is evolving into a direction that is not in Avid's best interest. Thank you.

General Discussion & Off-Topic

Post all topics not specifically related to Avid products or to one specific Avid product here. ------------- I thought this was the General discussion and off topic part of the forum?  What am I missing... does "...not specifically related to Avid products..." not really mean just that?  hmmm....

Anyone with 'technical problems with lightworks should go over to lightworksbeta forum, they want to hear your problems and i guess the community over their will try and help, (it is beta after all).

We need to respect Avid.

 

 

Larry Rubin:

Please consider that the content of this thread is evolving into a direction that is not in Avid's best interest. Thank you.

Well, I have to say, this is billed as an "General Discussion and Off-Topic" area of the boards, and if you think a little more laterally, a discussion about how 'poorly' a potential free 'rival' to Avid is performing, kind of plays directly into Avid's hands, and to their strengths.

On Lightworks itself, yes... it's incredibly buggy, and it seems to be suffering from some open-source transition niggles:

 

1.) As far as I am aware, they have not even released the source code. It does not speak well for any application touting itself as open-source, if the first thing they do upon release is choose a locked down Windows-only binary and NO source Tarball or ZIP file.

2.) No clear license relating to Open Source. No GPL, Apache, Creative Commons etc...

3.) Right from the launch, there appears to be no real 'urge' to get cross-platform developers onboard to fix bugs. (Most likely a direct result of the aforementioned problem No.1)

4.) Near complete lack of any video-related learning materials. No tutorials or guides even remotely introducing new users to the application.

These are just some observations, and if I'm wrong about any of them, I'm happy to amend my opinion(s) and post(s) accordingly. But for now, Lightworks has made a less than spectacular introduction of itself into the Open Source community, and at this rate (with this attitude) it will likely not gain the kind of momentum that Blender has managed.

 

Peace.

Joe M:

Whoa!.... $20,000 US dollars?  No wonder this isn't exactly a commonly used (or known) editing application.

Looks like I was on the right track when I said,

"Lightworks is a programme made by Editshare, who have its main business directed towards storage solutions etc.
It would seem to me that most of the demos I have seen do not give any details about how big the storage resorces are that are being used, and what the real specifications of the systems being demoed on are.
I can imagine that with a few gigantic Editshare systems costing the earth you can have quite a good platform to run Lightworks on, in a shared environment, as it is being demoed.
For mere mortals just having the application on e.g. and old Liquid stystem, I wonder how much power there really will be available."

a few posts back.

That being said, I also agree with Larry and others that this thread has now become a Lightworks specific thread. Should be happening on the Lightworks Forums.

Mentioning Liqhtworks in a thread is not a problem on this Off Topic area, but getting into the depth of the discussions now taking place here on Lightworks and its merits/demerits is not what the Avid General Discussion and Off Topic area is for.

Regards,
Douglas

"Please consider that the content of this thread is evolving into a direction that is not in Avid's best interest. "

{scratching head}  ... how is discussing the issues, problems and bugs of another editing application not in the best interest of AVID? ...ah well, if you say so... but I am still a bit confused.

NICKB:

Anyone with 'technical problems with lightworks should go over to lightworksbeta forum, they want to hear your problems and i guess the community over their will try and help, (it is beta after all).

We need to respect Avid.

Wow... I missed something... but, I don't see any post requesting any technical assistance about LW... what I see is discussing mostly the shortfalls of LW.

Joe

Just trying to help if you cannot get Lightworks to run properly you will never enjoy editing on it, we have had the same frustrated posts regarding Avid with some people having major problems and they end up hating Avid yet once they have had some help getting it to work they are happy!

Part of the deal with public beta is that you become part of the development and testing so you give feedback to the developers and they have set up a forum for that if you are getting 30 crashes an hour they maybe able to help figure out what is wrong that helps you and it helps them.

So with respect I don't think being a beta tester is the right way for you to go, best wait for a later release that the Lightworks community are happy with.