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  • Thu, Nov 5 2015 3:47 AM

    • Johnny Diesel
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    X99, Nvidia m4000, Haswell-e/Xeon homebuild. Will it work?

    EDIT NOTE: for reasons unknown the links are not highlglighted properly.  if you want to follow Newegg links, copy/paste the entire line. 

    Hi all:

     

    I'm an Avid editor since '95. My reseller-built Core 2 Duo system finally bit the dust and I figure/hope I can homebuild an nice little system. 

     

    I am curious if anyone might have input on the components listed below as some of them are new and not yet "supported" but may work, especially the graphics card, motherboard and chipset. 

     

    I edit both long and short form projects mainly in 1080, but would like to edit 4K should a project come my way. I am also considering a 4K camera for my own projects and would like to if not edit, at least finish in 4K, though it is a new workflow for me. Just want to keep my options open. 

     

    As well, Squeeze outputs (Vimeo, YT, transcodes etc) were painfully slow on my old system, so I am assuming that will improve with any of the processors, but which is best?? Also, I run Adobe Suite and would like to run Blackmagic Resolve, so that's a factor as well. 

     

    FYI I did try a search on MC with x99 et al, but there seemed to be very little info available and thus I am posting here hoping for some input. 

     

    So here's what I'm thinking:

     

    Build... 

     

    MOBO: 

    This motherboard is the only one that accepts Xeon processors that I am aware of in this price range. Has USB 3.1.

     

    ASUS X99-E WS/USB 3.1 LGA 2011-v3 Intel X99 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 USB 3.0 CEB Intel Motherboard  http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=13-182-968

     

    Or 

    ASUS X99-DELUXE/U3.1 LGA 2011-v3 Intel X99 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 ATX Intel Motherboard , 

    http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=13-132-50

     

    GRAPHICS: 

    Seems this is their newest board.  Much higher specs than the current recommended benchmark (but old) k4200 but also relatively or perhaps wholly untested in an avid environment. about the same price as the K4200 PNY. 

     

    Quadro M4000 VCQM4000-PB 8GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 Full Height Workstation Video Card , 

    http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=14-132-051

     

    PROCESSOR: 

    This is the big question. I'm leaning towards the Xeon because it's an eight core though a little bit slower than the 5960X per core. But is also considerably cheaper and a Xeon. It seems like it would be a better spec'd than the 5930.  thoughts?

     

    Intel Xeon E5-2630 v3 Haswell-EP 2.4 GHz 8 x 256KB L2 Cache 20MB L3 Cache LGA 2011-3 85W BX80644E52630V3 Server Processor. 

    http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=19-117-479

     

    Or 

    5960x Intel Core i7-5960X Haswell-E 8-Core 3.0 GHz LGA 2011-v3 140W BX80648I75960X Desktop Processor , http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=19-117-404 

     

    Or 

    5930k Intel Core i7-5930K Haswell-E 6-Core 3.5 GHz LGA 2011-v3 140W BX80648I75930K Desktop Processor , http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=19-117-403

     

    RAM: 

    this is also a big question. I'm not sure what speed I should get or what brand. My understanding is the Xeon uses a slower speed, so no point going above a certain threshold. But I've also read that ram speed doesn't seem to make that much of a difference. Confused! Thinking 32GB RAM. Four sticks or two? Do I need ECC if going Xeon?? Any benefit??

     

    RAID: 

    not sure what to do here. Is there a raid controller on the motherboard? do I need a card? Not sure. I'm thinking of running a four drive raid 0 and then backing that up daily to Symantec Ghost drive.  What are people doing these days for video storage given 1080P playback and likely 4K?

     

    CASE: 

    I'm looking for a silent or close to silent case (rather than the current jet airplane I currently have) and was thinking of this. Perhaps you know of a better one. 

     

    Fractal Design Define XL R2 FD-CA-DEF-XL-R2-BL Black/Pearl Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case , http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=11-352-029

     

    BOOT: 

    Something like this but I am not sure about the brand.  recommendations?? 

     

    Intel 535 Series M.2 240GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) SSDSCKJW240H601 , http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=20-167-334

     

    POWER: 

    Again not too sure about this is this enough power, too much power, the best/most reliable brand? 

     

    EVGA 120-G2-1000-XR 80 PLUS GOLD 1000 W 10 yr Warranty Fully Modular NVIDIA SLI Ready and Crossfire Support continuous Power Supply. 

    http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=17-438-010

     

    PROCESSOR FAN:

    Thinking something like this but I'm  not sure about the best size or brand. Quiet is important. 

     

    Intel Corp. BXSTS200C Intel thermal solution combo socket LGA 2011 , http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=0R7-000D-00003CVF ------------ 

     

    THUNDERBOLT: 

    ASUS ThunderboltEX II Expansion Card , http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA7BB2N85811

     

    OS: 

    Thinking Microsoft Windows 8.1 Pro - 64-bit - OEM , http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=32-416-778

     

    BUT is Win 7 preferable? This is what I am currently running and it is rock solid. 

     

    I look forward to your thoughts and input. Am I  my missing anything? 

     

    Thanks!! 

     

    John

     

     

    Homebuilt: Win 10 on Asus X99-E WS/USB 3.1, Xeon E5-1650 v3 at 3.5 GHZ 6-core, 32 GB DDR4 RAM, Nvidia Quadro M4000, Blackmagic Intensity Pro 4K. Canopus... [view my complete system specs]
  • Thu, Nov 5 2015 1:57 PM In reply to

    • Pheral
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    Re: X99, Nvidia m4000, Haswell-e/Xeon homebuild. Will it work?

    You should research the Supermicro boards, something like this:

    Link

    They are extremely robust, from my experience, and are often overlooked in favor of Asus and others, even though re-(or un-)branded Supermicro boards are under the hoods of powerful workstations or servers offered by other companies.

    Media Composer v8.9.2 | Windows 10 Professional 64-Bit | Supermicro X10DAi | Intel Xeon E5-2620 v4 Broadwell (x2) | Noctua NH-D9DX i4 (x2) | PNY GeForce... [view my complete system specs]
  • Fri, Nov 6 2015 8:03 AM In reply to

    • Lukas Boeck
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    Re: X99, Nvidia m4000, Haswell-e/Xeon homebuild. Will it work?

    listen to this man!

     

    supermicro is where it's at.

     

    bulit 5 rigs like this this year.

    MC 2018.12.2 Cusom bulid Supermicro X9SRL-F, 32 Gig Ram, 3ware 9750 6x6TB Seagate EC Drives, LSI 9207 + LTO-7, Mojo DX, Artist Color, Flanders CM240, GTX... [view my complete system specs]
  • Fri, Nov 6 2015 6:26 PM In reply to

    • Johnny Diesel
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    Re: X99, Nvidia m4000, Haswell-e/Xeon homebuild. Will it work?

    Lukas, thanks for the reply and Supermicro recommendation. 

    If possible, perhaps you could post a list of the key specs for the machines you built? Motherboard name etc, I'm sure I, and perhaps others, would find that useful. 

    Thanks 

    John

    Homebuilt: Win 10 on Asus X99-E WS/USB 3.1, Xeon E5-1650 v3 at 3.5 GHZ 6-core, 32 GB DDR4 RAM, Nvidia Quadro M4000, Blackmagic Intensity Pro 4K. Canopus... [view my complete system specs]
  • Fri, Nov 6 2015 6:48 PM In reply to

    • Lukas Boeck
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    Re: X99, Nvidia m4000, Haswell-e/Xeon homebuild. Will it work?

    here you go:

     

    Board: Supermicro X10SRA (raid prefers fast boot disabled)

    CPU: 8 core Xeon E5-1660 v3 or 4 core E5-1620 v3 and future upgrade

    RAM: 2 or 4 x Kingson KVR21R15D4/16

    ssd: 2x Intel SSDSC2BP240G401 (one for OS one for render)

    cpu cool: Noctua NH-U9DX i4

    PSU: Corsair Professional Series HX850i

    Case: Nanoxia Deep Silence 5 Rev. B (not that solid, nice to set up, have no better idea right now)

    optical: Pioneer BDR-209DBK (always pioneer for optical)

    gpu: quadro k2200/m4000

     

    RAID Subsystem:

    raid controller: MegaRAID SAS 9361-8i

    chace module: LSICVM02

    chache mounting kit: LSI BBU-BRACKET-05 (entirely optional)

    SAS cables: CBL-SFF8643-SATASB-06M

    raid drives Seagate ST6000NM0024 (3 to 8 of them)

     

    piont a fan directly at the raid contoller

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    MC 2018.12.2 Cusom bulid Supermicro X9SRL-F, 32 Gig Ram, 3ware 9750 6x6TB Seagate EC Drives, LSI 9207 + LTO-7, Mojo DX, Artist Color, Flanders CM240, GTX... [view my complete system specs]
  • Sun, Nov 8 2015 8:40 AM In reply to

    • Johnny Diesel
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    Re: X99, Nvidia m4000, Haswell-e/Xeon homebuild. Will it work?

    Lukas

    Awesome, thanks. 

    John

    Homebuilt: Win 10 on Asus X99-E WS/USB 3.1, Xeon E5-1650 v3 at 3.5 GHZ 6-core, 32 GB DDR4 RAM, Nvidia Quadro M4000, Blackmagic Intensity Pro 4K. Canopus... [view my complete system specs]
  • Fri, Nov 27 2015 8:09 AM In reply to

    • Johnny Diesel
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    Re: X99, Nvidia m4000, Haswell-e/Xeon homebuild. Will it work?

    I am now considering going Xeon dual processor. From my research it seems that this Supermicro MOBO would do the trick. Anyone with experience with this and can confirm?

    SUPERMICRO MBD-X10DAI-O Extended ATX Xeon Server Motherboard Dual LGA 2011 Intel C612 , http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=13-182-938

     

    I would likely be utilizing these processors:

    Intel Xeon E5-2630 v3 Haswell-EP 2.4 GHz 8 x 256KB L2 Cache 20MB L3 Cache LGA 2011-3 85W BX80644E52630V3 Server Processor , http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=19-117-479

    Lukas:

    Your build is very nice indeed but I can't seem to find the Xeon 8 core e5-1660 anywhere in Canada and thus am considering a lower processor speed but more core-count option as outlined above. Where did you buy it?? Price-wise the 1660 (if you can find it) is about the same as the i7 5960x.

    I am hoping to edit 4K with this system BTW.

    thanks, John

     

    Homebuilt: Win 10 on Asus X99-E WS/USB 3.1, Xeon E5-1650 v3 at 3.5 GHZ 6-core, 32 GB DDR4 RAM, Nvidia Quadro M4000, Blackmagic Intensity Pro 4K. Canopus... [view my complete system specs]
  • Fri, Nov 27 2015 12:37 PM In reply to

    • Lukas Boeck
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    Re: X99, Nvidia m4000, Haswell-e/Xeon homebuild. Will it work?

    yo Johnny,

    hmm-mm. don't know about your dual rig processors. you'd get 16 cores at 2,4Ghz.

    for my workloads i thinki prefer 8 at 3ghz at half the price.

    i'd just order the single socket 8 core processor and see when it arrives. hopefully before xmas.

    if you need instant gratification you can bulid with quad core now and upgrade to 10 cores next year.

    even 4 cores will give you 4k+CC.

    chinese rumor mill currently predicts a 10 core single socket processor at 3ghz. intel is, as usual, mum on the subject though.

     

    MC 2018.12.2 Cusom bulid Supermicro X9SRL-F, 32 Gig Ram, 3ware 9750 6x6TB Seagate EC Drives, LSI 9207 + LTO-7, Mojo DX, Artist Color, Flanders CM240, GTX... [view my complete system specs]
  • Wed, Nov 23 2016 4:46 PM In reply to

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    Re: X99, Nvidia m4000, Haswell-e/Xeon homebuild. Will it work?

    Hi John,

    I'd be tempted to look at an extreme edition i7 processor rather than a xeon/s?  In my experience individual core speed is often more use than more cores (within reason of course).  If you note how many cores are actually in use in most tasks when you're editing you'll see what I mean.  One of our systems here is an old hP z800 running 2 x 6 core xeons (so 12 cores and 24 threads) and it is a real eye opener as to how often even half those cores are in use...  As far as I can tell most of the NLE systems don't scale very well once you get past a certain core count, I guess heavy multithreading just isn't very well implemented in the majority of tasks?  Premiere Pro is the same.  Certain encoding tasks like H264 can actually max out the CPUs, but rendering either in Avid or Premiere Pro on the timeline etc, rareley uses a fraction of either the CPU, RAM or drive performance.  I'm often somewhat puzzled as to what exactly he limiting factor is?

    In a perfect world I'd go with the i7 6950x (ten core) then overclock to 4Ghz (if you're comfortable with this sort of thing).  If going this route I'd definitely lean towards the Asus workstation boards as they are amazngly stable and robust in this sort of role, they have just released a model with 10Gb LAN on board if you use network based storage.

    Avid MC 8 with Symphonyon HP Z800 12 cores, 12Gb RAM, 10Gb LAN. Synology Rackstation RS3412RPxs [view my complete system specs]
  • Thu, Nov 24 2016 12:46 AM In reply to

    • carlgmi
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    Re: X99, Nvidia m4000, Haswell-e/Xeon homebuild. Will it work?

    Having been down the i7 path just once I am returning to Xeons - transcoding... need as many cores as possible even if they aren't being hammered.  By all accounts the newer codecs are supporting many more threads and the i7 simply takes to long to process H264 into DNxHD or HR.  So I will be building in the next month:

    Supermicro X10DAX (turbo of CPU can remain on in this mobo)
    Dual Xeon 10 core v4 cpus giving 20 cores or 40 with hyperthreading
    64G ECC ram
    K4000 Quadro from existing machine
    Adaptec RAID - also existing for 2 channels or 4 drives in RAID 5
    External TB2 enclosure - hence the supermicro board as it has a TB add on card.
    Sticking with Win 7
    BM Intensity Pro 4K for client monitor.

    So will post results of the build.  No doubt Xeons are the pricey way to go but for stability and scalability nothing beats them.  Good luck.

    MC8.10 Win 7 64 with Dongle, Dual 10 core Xeon, Quadro K4000, Adaptec RAID 5-8x3TB, External TB2 4x3TB, 64G RAM, BM Intensity Pro 4K. NewBlue Titler 6... [view my complete system specs]

    Vote 1 - Dongles.

    UME an old engine, now with 4K, mags and furry dice....

  • Thu, Nov 24 2016 10:34 AM In reply to

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    Re: X99, Nvidia m4000, Haswell-e/Xeon homebuild. Will it work?

    onscreen:
    Certain encoding tasks like H264 can actually max out the CPUs, but rendering either in Avid or Premiere Pro on the timeline etc, rareley uses a fraction of either the CPU, RAM or drive performance.  I'm often somewhat puzzled as to what exactly he limiting factor is?

    Hello,

    According to my observations, the main limiting factor QuickTime for Windows 32bit only.
    Yesterday I exported containers MXF and QT with the same codec. Export MXF container was about 2x faster. (On the same machine).

    So the question is, when Avid rid of dependence on QuickTime .....?

    V.

    AVID MC2020.08, HP Z620 - 2 x Intel Xeon E5-2620, Quadro P2000 - driver 442.50, RAM 48GB - DDR3, BM Intensity Pro 4k - 10.11, W10 - 64bit Professional... [view my complete system specs]
  • Thu, Nov 24 2016 1:14 PM In reply to

    Re: X99, Nvidia m4000, Haswell-e/Xeon homebuild. Will it work?

    I've been thinking about replacing my aging I7 system (and upgrading to newer version of Avid etc.) in use since 2009, largely to speed up transcoding. But, I stumbled upon something that drastically cut my transcoding times on my present system.

    I  had been exporting QT Ref files and then transcoding final output in Squeeze to H264.  That took a long time.  Then I read about X264 codec.  What a surprise, it is even in my old version of Squeeze.

    Switching to X264 in the options cut my rendering times IN HALF with no discernable loss in quality to my eyes.  So, a 10 hour render being cut to 5 hours is HUGE to me.

    Looking in Task Mgr.  it shows all 8 cores (really 4 with hyper-threading) in use at around 96%.

    So, codec selection and software settings might be more of a bottleneck than hardware...

    Many factors to think about. I may still upgrade my rig, but not in as big a hurry since I was ignorant about such a major bottleneck. Just bought two new cameras and other gear for filming.  Taking my time on upgrading the editing part of my business. Want to make sure the horsepower I purchase actually gets used, instead of just putting more impressive specs in my signature file.

    MC 6.0.4,Gateway FX6800, i7 920 Processor, Windows 10 Pro (upgraded from Win 7 Pro 64 SP1), 6gb Ram, GeForce GT 710 (2gb), 2 JVC HM170U Camcorders, 1 Canon... [view my complete system specs]
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