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  • Wed, Oct 29 2008 12:16 AM

    • Jadedoe19
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    Master to DVD and Mini via 720p/23.976 best way?

     Hello everyone,

    I know this may be a basic question to most, but please advise. I never worked with 720p footage, only 1080i.  What is the best way to master my 720p project to a DVD and mini DV without mojo, nitris, etc... I have Procoder 3 and Encore. What are the best settings in how to downconvert to 30p project.

    THANKS IN ADVANCE ... Helllllllllllpppppp. lol

  • Wed, Oct 29 2008 2:50 AM In reply to

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    Re: Master to DVD and Mini via 720p/23.976 best way?

    Don't change to 30i man - make a progressive DVD.  I don't use Procoder, but if you export a quicktime reference out from Avid and bring that into Procoder it should see it as progressive footage.  

    *Note - even though it sees it as progressive, check all of your options before encoding as it still may try and default to 2:3 pulldown, etc.  TMPG does that....there is a drop down to choose progressive a second time before encoding.

    Then once you do that, burn it to DVD with a program that will just do that and not try and transcode it again.  The new version Sonic (version 6) has bugs and even though you hand it an MPG file ready to go, it freaking transcodes it again so I had to move to something else. 

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  • Wed, Oct 29 2008 3:07 AM In reply to

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    Re: Master to DVD and Mini via 720p/23.976 best way?

     thank goodness you answered!! okay first i have to apologize, although im a good editor creatively wise, im not up to par with my technical. Im a lonely girl in this avid world.. but here is the thing, i need to come down to SD for the mini DV version. Then also i have to do the DVD version. As i said before i have Procoder and then I have Nero to burn. I also have Encore. Do you not use Encore? I heard its damn good. So how do i start out with laying to tape first with my HD project? as far as going straight to mini dv via fire wire...

  • Wed, Oct 29 2008 7:17 AM In reply to

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    Re: Master to DVD and Mini via 720p/23.976 best way?

    jasperfdo:

     burn it to DVD with a program that will just do that and not try and transcode it again.  The new version Sonic (version 6) has bugs and even though you hand it an MPG file ready to go, it freaking transcodes it again

     

     

    This is not entirely true, I have created somewhat 500 discs using Sonic DVD and preencoded files, both dvd and bluray, the only time that the files gets reencoded is with version 6,4 using a 4:3 aspect, seems to be a bug , version 6,3 works well with all aspects,  version 6,4 works well with all aspects except 4:3

     

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    Re: Master to DVD and Mini via 720p/23.976 best way?

     Gentlemen,

    If you are concerned about the fact that DVDitProHD (Avid DVD) is transcoding most of the stuff you throw at it (after you have spent time hopefully transcoding it to DVDit compliant video and audio files) why not cut out the middleman.

    I have been burning Blu-Ray discs since the middle of 2007 from files "fused" from Pinnacle/Avid Liquid. I have also been authoring Blu-Ray discs from MC 2.8 (and now MC3.0.5) since February.

    1. Export a QT reference file.

    2. Import the QT reference file into DVDit

    3. Author and then burn the Blu-Ray disc.

    There is absolutely no need to do an intermediate re-encoding in another 3rd party software.

    No matter what you do with your MC timeline ... it will have to be transcoded for Blu-Ray at some point.
    DVDit has it's own transcoder.
    I trust it and I don't need a 3rd party encoder.

    The discs I burn are encoded at Max. 40,000kbits/s -  Average 35,000 kbits/s and minimum 20,000kbits/s
    They have run on all machines I have tested so far.
    I have sent copies to friends in Canada, USA and Scotland for testing.
    They all had different players and all can play them with what they describe as "astounding picture and audio quality"

    I have made a tutorial on my workflow, which you can find at

    http://www.gaijin-eyes.com/tutorials/MCtoBLURAY/MCBLU01.htm

    Avid chose Roxio's DVDitProHD for their bundled Blu-Ray authoring software - I guess they had a good reason for doing that.

    I have heard of a user who re-encodes their files overnight so that they can import them into DVDitProHD without (as they say) re-encoding!?
    Maybe I am missing some subtle point in that, but to me there is absolutely no saving of time in that case. Plus the fact that I know from experience that DVDitPro is able to do a great job in transcoding........

    Regards,

    Douglas

    PS. That said, I realise that there can be many other workflows just as good - where you don't need the middleman.

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  • Wed, Oct 29 2008 8:27 AM In reply to

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    Re: Master to DVD and Mini via 720p/23.976 best way?

     Yes, we all hear rumours, don´t we.

    Anyway, I have posted a thread about the 4:3 bug in 6,4 both on the correct Avid DVD forum and the Roxio forum, hopefully something will be done about it, in the meantime, as Douglas says, just export as an Qt ref file if you get probs with that aspect, that however doesn´t seem to be the case for the origin poster of this thread.

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    Re: Master to DVD and Mini via 720p/23.976 best way?

    Of course it will all depend on what you want to use the Blu-Ray media for.

    I realise now that not everybody is working in HD and wishing to save their HD material in all its glory on a Blu-Ray authored disc.
    There are also those who want to use Blu-Ray as a storage media for SD work too.

    My view of the Blu-Ray scene is as follows:

    There was 4:3 analogue..............4:3 digital SD......... 16:9 digital SD etc. etc...... and they all went on to DVDs after authoring.
    Then HD (HDV) arrived and we were working with 16:9 . Blu-Ray appeared to take the larger files that resulted from the timelines and were created during authoring

    Blu-Ray has never, in my opinion, been targeted to anyone wishing to "uprezz" old analogue or SD material.  Of course it can be used for that as well..........  but there seem to be limitations that various uses are reporting in this thread.
    DVDitProHD aimed at getting HD material onto Blu-Ray discs...... it is possible that the 4:3 aspect ratio was never planned as part of the future.

    I have sometimes included short clips with 4:3 material in an HD project..... but I have always dropped it into the HD 16:9 timeline.

    It is only my opinion, but I think that DVDitPro HD can do the 16:9 thing very well and if anyone wants to try and get it to work with 4:3 (and Blu-Ray) then they should not be surprised if problems pop-up.

    But all of this is just an opinion I have been developing since this thread started.
    I am not a techy sort of person.
    I just go ahead and do things.  I try to keep close to the rules and not push things too far into the experimentation phase.

    Vive la difference (sorry couldn't find the correct accent mark on my japanese keyboard)

    Regards,

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  • Wed, Oct 29 2008 9:08 AM In reply to

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    Re: Master to DVD and Mini via 720p/23.976 best way?

     Maybe I am silly but where does all this bluray discussion come from, the origin poster wanted a workflow to be able to put 720 p onto a DVD, another user said that Avid DVD was no good due to the reencoding and I corrected him, 720 p should, as all Hd, always be widescreen and not 4:3 so the bug described shouldn´t show up, even if an external encoder that might be able to do 2 pass encoding should be used for the encoding.

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    Re: Master to DVD and Mini via 720p/23.976 best way?

    mjolnarn:
     Maybe I am silly but where does all this bluray discussion come from, the origin poster wanted a ...................................
     

    You are correct, Tomas.

    Excuse me while I look embarassed and exit stage left!  Huh?

    Regards,
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  • Wed, Oct 29 2008 10:15 AM In reply to

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    Re: Master to DVD and Mini via 720p/23.976 best way?

    drbgaijin:

    mjolnarn:
     Maybe I am silly but where does all this bluray discussion come from, the origin poster wanted a ...................................
     

    You are correct, Tomas.

    Excuse me while I look embarassed and exit stage left!  Huh?

    Regards,
    Douglas 

     

     Nothing to excuse att all, we all get intensive sometimes, I think I was as late as yesterday Big Smile

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    Re: Master to DVD and Mini via 720p/23.976 best way?

    jasperfdo:

    *Note - even though it sees it as progressive, check all of your options before encoding as it still may try and default to 2:3 pulldown, etc.  TMPG does that....there is a drop down to choose progressive a second time before encoding.

     

    I guess it depends on what you want to do. NTSC DVD material has to play out at 29.97 fps. If you start with 23.976 fps progressive material, you can have the transcoder put this into a 29.97 packaging with the 2:3 pulldown flag. The flag tells the DVD player that it can unpackage the 29.97 stream into a progressive 23.976 stream simply by dropping frames. Playback is then 23.976 progressive.

    If you don't use the 2:3 pulldown flag, then you may have 30p playback (29.97) but you lose the 24 fps cadence.

    So.... I guess a good question would be, is the 720p at 23.976 fps or 30fps, etc.?

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  • Wed, Oct 29 2008 9:38 PM In reply to

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    Re: Master to DVD and Mini via 720p/23.976 best way?

    mjolnarn:

    jasperfdo:

     burn it to DVD with a program that will just do that and not try and transcode it again.  The new version Sonic (version 6) has bugs and even though you hand it an MPG file ready to go, it freaking transcodes it again

     

     

    This is not entirely true, I have created somewhat 500 discs using Sonic DVD and preencoded files, both dvd and bluray, the only time that the files gets reencoded is with version 6,4 using a 4:3 aspect, seems to be a bug , version 6,3 works well with all aspects,  version 6,4 works well with all aspects except 4:3

     

     

    Actually it is true.  Someone else said the same thing you did - that 16:9 wouldn't get messed with.  I'm here to say 16:9 from TMPG to Sonic v6 still transcodes.

    Also, someone mentioned you have to specify 2:3 pull down cadence...hmmm.  In TMPG v4 they have you choose between progressive and 2:3 for final playback.  I use progressive as that is similar to Michael P's Sorenson instructions. 

     

     

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  • Thu, Oct 30 2008 3:31 AM In reply to

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    Re: Master to DVD and Mini via 720p/23.976 best way?

    jasperfdo:

    mjolnarn:

    jasperfdo:

     burn it to DVD with a program that will just do that and not try and transcode it again.  The new version Sonic (version 6) has bugs and even though you hand it an MPG file ready to go, it freaking transcodes it again

     

     

    This is not entirely true, I have created somewhat 500 discs using Sonic DVD and preencoded files, both dvd and bluray, the only time that the files gets reencoded is with version 6,4 using a 4:3 aspect, seems to be a bug , version 6,3 works well with all aspects,  version 6,4 works well with all aspects except 4:3

     

     

    Actually it is true.  Someone else said the same thing you did - that 16:9 wouldn't get messed with.  I'm here to say 16:9 from TMPG to Sonic v6 still transcodes.

    Also, someone mentioned you have to specify 2:3 pull down cadence...hmmm.  In TMPG v4 they have you choose between progressive and 2:3 for final playback.  I use progressive as that is similar to Michael P's Sorenson instructions. 

     

     

     

     So, maybe a new thread about TMPG and reencoding at the Avid Dvd Forum ?Wink

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  • Fri, Oct 31 2008 9:23 PM In reply to

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    Re: Master to DVD and Mini via 720p/23.976 best way?

    now there's an idea.

    if anyone needs an instant fix and is reading this, TMPG's burning software does what Sonic v6 will not...and you can download and use free for 15 days.

     http://tmpgenc.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/tda3.html

     

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  • Sat, Nov 1 2008 7:03 AM In reply to

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    Re: Master to DVD and Mini via 720p/23.976 best way?

     This really was a strange thread, the origin poster, having procoder and encore, wanted info how to use them and the answers is about bluray creating and bugs in TMPG, the origin poster seems to have left

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