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  • Thu, Jun 19 2008 12:25 AM In reply to

    • ronn
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    Re: Hows MC 3.0 Holding up!

    MC3 Good.

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  • Thu, Jun 19 2008 12:39 AM In reply to

    Re: Hows MC 3.0 Holding up!

    Well, there's not much more that you can get out of the editor right now, so what you want to look at is the system you are running it on.

    • Faster cores with bigger cache is better
    • More cores are even better
    • More memory bandwidth is better - the new dual-socket 8600 and Harpertown Macs are using 2 channels of memory to increase bandwidth
    • Faster storage is better, especially if you want to work with uncompressed HD
    • Qualified Quadro GPU - allows you to split the work between the CPU and GPU.  For example while one frame is rendering on the GPU, the next frames are decompressing on the CPU

    As I have seen others post, do the math yourself.  If you do a lot of rendering or mixdown work, how quickly can a well-equipped 8600 pay for itself, especially with a Nitris or Mojo DX installed, saving you much of the need to render.

     

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  • Thu, Jun 19 2008 1:03 AM In reply to

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    Re: Hows MC 3.0 Holding up!

    Brian Williams:
    If you do a lot of rendering or mixdown work, how quickly can a well-equipped 8600 pay for itself, especially with a Nitris or Mojo DX installed, saving you much of the need to render.
     

    ...It is interesting you mention this Brian. We are looking precisely at an HP 8600. We are already using an Avid Certified system with an Intel Core 2 Duo with an L2 Cache of 4 MB. I'm not complaining about having to render, since the renders now do not take very long at all. I take your point it is better to not have to render at all than to render very fast. Why can't the Qicktime codec be dual threaded ?

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  • Thu, Jun 19 2008 1:14 AM In reply to

    Re: Hows MC 3.0 Holding up!

    You really have to measure just how much time you spend rendering already.  Use that as a basis for how much time you might be able to save.  I am not saying you will never have to render again.  And it's not just rendering, it's transcoding and mixdown, as well.

    For example, if you do a lot of mixed SD/HD material work, you will need to transcode your material before a digital cut.  The realtime SD/HD conversion uses a faster, decent-quality filter.  When you transcode, the converter will use a slower, high quality filter.  That's just an example of where you will still have to sit and wait while media is processed.

    As to why we can't multithread Quicktime, Apple provides the Quicktime SDK, so it's out of our hands.

     

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  • Thu, Jun 19 2008 2:33 AM In reply to

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    Re: Hows MC 3.0 Holding up!

    Brian Williams:
    You really have to measure just how much time you spend rendering already. 
     ... I have to render just about everything I do to get it out of the laptop and onto a DVD, FLASH or WMV. The transcoding process takes quite a long time, but it now is much faster than before.

    Brian Williams:
    As to why we can't multithread Quicktime, Apple provides the Quicktime SDK, so it's out of our hands.

    ....Sad. One would have thought since Apple uses the same Core 2 Duo and Core 2 Quad CPU's, they would want to multi-thread QT to take advantage of their own hardware or make their FCP work better. Huh?

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  • Thu, Jun 19 2008 11:37 AM In reply to

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    Re: Hows MC 3.0 Holding up!

    So Brian - I presume the quicktime bottleneck is only in effect on import or export, is this correct? Presumably, once media is inside the system at MXF, quicktime is no longer utilised. Would it therefore be possible to implement DNxHD with an AVI wrapper and cirumvent quicktime altogether? Or how about a DNxHD image sequence that could 'same as source' export? Quicktime performance is so dreadful on a PC anyway in comparison to how it flies on a mac, not to mention the cursed gamma shift debacle.

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  • Thu, Jun 19 2008 1:27 PM In reply to

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  • Thu, Jun 19 2008 1:56 PM In reply to

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    Re: Hows MC 3.0 Holding up!

     Looks like someone having early christmas down underWink.

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  • Thu, Jun 19 2008 1:58 PM In reply to

    Re: Hows MC 3.0 Holding up!

    Well it is winter...Big Smile

     

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  • Thu, Jun 19 2008 2:36 PM In reply to

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    Re: Hows MC 3.0 Holding up!

    fiendish:
     

    Presumably, once media is inside the system at MXF, quicktime is no longer utilised. Would it therefore be possible to implement DNxHD with an AVI wrapper and cirumvent quicktime altogether? Or how about a DNxHD image sequence that could 'same as source' export? Quicktime performance is so dreadful on a PC anyway in comparison to how it flies on a mac, not to mention the cursed gamma shift debacle.

    Not to mention the dreaded interlacing blocky edges! I think you have a great point, mr. fiendish... I would so love to see MXF/AVI take over QuickTime! I see QuickTime edges on all kinds of stuff- can't believe more purists aren't up in arms!

    Good idea- if it could be done, it should be an option-

    Ev

     

     

     

     

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  • Thu, Jun 19 2008 4:27 PM In reply to

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    Re: Hows MC 3.0 Holding up!

    evansmalley:

    Not to mention the dreaded interlacing blocky edges! I think you have a great point, mr. fiendish... I would so love to see MXF/AVI take over QuickTime! I see QuickTime edges on all kinds of stuff- can't believe more purists aren't up in arms!

    Good idea- if it could be done, it should be an option-

    Ev

     ...Yeah, QT plays in studdervision on my system and looks like crap ! No As soon as I get into Avid it looks, sounds, and plays back (even in full screen) just great ! Why ?

     

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  • Thu, Jun 19 2008 4:38 PM In reply to

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    Re: Hows MC 3.0 Holding up!

    let's get up a pro-Avid, anti-QuickTime vigilante rabble

    I have a pitchfork and some serious explosions in the FX files

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    Re: Hows MC 3.0 Holding up!

    Laptopeditor:
    Yeah, QT plays in studdervision on my system and looks like crap ! No As soon as I get into Avid it looks, sounds, and plays back (even in full screen) just great ! Why ?

     

    Probably because the data rate on your QT is too high for your GPU to handle.

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  • Thu, Jun 19 2008 6:04 PM In reply to

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    Brian Williams:

    Tele,

    We spent a lot of time working on multicore scalability but there are some areas that we just cannot parralelize - like QuickTime.

    There are other aspects that become bottlenecks, like disk I/O, buffers and older SD codecs which have not been multithreaded for compression.

    I think you will see that we did make major improvements, though, especially in HD workflows.

     

     

     

    Thanks very much for your help, Brian. I have some other i/o questions about the new nitris DX kit and one of them involves the new Video Output Tool. I looked for a note in the manual, but didn't see one.

    For some reason, I cannot both Capture via HD-SDI and simultaneously monitor (or record) the letterboxed, SD downconverted signal coming out of the same SD-SDI cable that feeds my SD-SDI monitor perfectly when I'm playing back the 1080i timeline.

    Is this Capture limitation normal or a case of user error / incomplete wiring out of the DX?. (I do not yet have an HD program monitor to screen my timeline-- I suspect that this small issue will go away once that's installed)

     

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  • Thu, Jun 19 2008 6:08 PM In reply to

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    Re: Hows MC 3.0 Holding up!

    I personally believe that quicktime player just isn't very well ported to the PC, possibly on purpose. Compare the experience of using quicktime (or itunes for that matter) on PC with on a Mac - it's much more reponsive on the latter. Just opening qts on the PC can take an age, even a well specced one.

    I confirmed this by mistake recently by installing OSX on my PC. DNxHD QTs never play back properly on XP on my crate, they're always super jerky. But rebooting into OSX on  the same system (completely unsupported obviously) allowed me to play back those same quicktimes properly. Not to mention the player opening immediately, rather than the usual ten second wait.

     

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