When are we going to see some improvements in this steaming pile of garbage? I am so tired of slogging through a session, waiting 4 seconds for my curve to update, dragging about only to have the sequence update seconds later, barely able to playback a clip - forget about it if it has an effect on it. Headache inducing scopes, the split screen still doesn't work if the correction has been rendered, we still can't split screen a reference clip etc etc etc. When is Avid going to do something about this?? Not everyone wants to round trip to Resolve and not everyone needs Baselight (or has clients willing to pay for it). 

In these forums we were promised improvements in 2022. Where are they? Pull your finger out Avid. Sick and tired of this dog.

Andi

Most of our colorists have given up on Symphony. With Resolve's superior CC and HDR support (including proper Dolby Vision workflow) it has convinced many to migrate even with the pains of sequence conversion from one app to another (and no, no conversion workflow is ever perfect no matter which apps are involved). Maybe someday they will release an upgrade? It doesnt even have to be as good as Resolve. It just needs to function as if it was written in this millenia. Maybe the same time as the replacement for Titler+ ?

Has it got worse over the last few years?

I don't remember it being this bad, as things like split-screening to a reference clip worked and I wasn't waiting 4 seconds for things to update.

Admittedly, I was using Symphony colour correction for broadcast work about eight years ago - around version 5.5, with the Nitris hardware and the dual Arcadia/Clio PCIX cards. Maybe these cards had some sort of acceleration which helped with Symphony CC.

My biggest gripe was that the Artist Color Panel was so laggy when used under Symphony. It worked perfectly fine with the Baselight plugin, so I spent a couple of years using this in preference to Symphony, before finally moving over to Resolve - which also worked well with the Artist Color!

This question has come up a few times every year for the past ten years or so, and the answer is always the same - no change (apart from the odd improvement to masking within the Colour corrector tool).

To me, Avid is now simply a cutting tool - and a fine one at that. Most of the improvements that Avid have implemented are around this aspect (such as Scriptsync and transcription). As far as a finishing tool is concerned, Avid is dead-in-the-water. Expecting anything different is a bit like wanting world peace - a lovely idea but it's not going to happen in our lifetime! 

i am not a colorist by any means...but, laggin, etc. makes me wonder if we are all expecting native 4k and above to edit smoothly?  If so, can the hardware support that effects heavy workflow?

Is there a time when moving to a proxy workflow just makes more sense and we all actually edit in 1080?

Is this AVID native media?

Someday, i will actually do more in this editing program than edit.  Coloring is another world.  

Avid's engine is largely CPU bound, meaning most tasks are processed at the CPU level. Resolve is mostly GPU bound. Avid needs to migrate some of the processes on the GPU since the performance gain and generational change are more significant with the GPU. Even the most basic media players perform better when "GPU acceleration" is active. That said, we get decent performance from Avid working in UHD using 24+ core CPUs and a $500 GPU. Often it is more predictable than Resolve or Premiere (another GPU bound NLE) with the same CPU and more expensive GPU. Resolve and Premiere's performance is more dynamic - meaning higher highs and lower lows. Avid is flatter. It is consistent and predictable.

The reason I keep asking is because it was stated by Dave (not sure which one) from Avid that they were busy working on improving it.

See this post from 2022(!)

So are they or aren't they? And if they are, what are they doing? Honestly, is it so hard for someone from Avid to just pipe up and say what the plan is? If you're not going to do anything with it just say so and put us out of our misery. Currently what I'm working on doesn't have the time or resources for roundtrips, it's all done in Symphony and there are lots of instances where this is preferable if you're short on time. The relational corrections are good and save a tonne of time but I just wish I could do more with it.

I just don't believe that people are going to want a tool that ONLY edits in the future. You need to be a swiss army knife. They have Protools, that should be rolled in to the audio interface in a simplified form, like the Fairlight page in Resolve. Do a deal with Filmlight or Nucoda or something and get a colour page, just do something to make the base offering not a lame duck. 

Andi

ripvanmarlowe:

the split screen still doesn't work if the correction has been rendered, 

This is expected behaviour with the current design and a feature request needs to be put through to change it. 

Rendered: Screenshot 2024-08-27 141228.png - Avid Community

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https://community.avid.com/forums/p/209249/933010.aspx#933010

No one got back to me.

Philip, care to find out what Dave was talking about? Improvements in the colour corrector? Avid have hired an editor and are working on changes? What's the scoop?

Andi

Is there a last known good version with this dual split issue? I tested 2018.12.15 which from reading the other thread has the same behaviour. 

I am quite sure Dave left us, and I'm not sure how much I'm allowed to say so I have to ask Marianna to engage here

As far as I know it's never worked. So as you say, it seems to be by design but it's bad design as I often render my sequence to get it to play back better and as soon as I do that I can no longer split screen it. Shapes not working on filler is another annoyance on the list. It's as long as my arm.

I would welcome some current informatrion from Marianna. The line from avid always seems to be "it's super secret we can't talk about it but things are happening..." which seems to be code for "nothing is happening or ever will."

Andi

 

HI Andi......

Unfortuntely, the editor who was slated to work on this is gone from Avid - this happened around the February March timeframe.

I spoke with the PM yesterday and they are looking into options but don't have anything solid at this point to share.

Wish I had better news.

Marianna