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  • Sun, Apr 28 2024 6:35 PM In reply to

    Re: Any updates from NAB?

    Yes, Avid lasso remains a masterpiece in that it selects and targets in one swoop.

    Agree totally about relying on Source view.

    Thanks for your frank trim mode comparisons. 

    I love all the recent timeline/segment mode improvements in MC-- any comparisons there?

    Would you be able to compare the multicamera experience--prep through offlining? 

     

     

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  • Sun, Apr 28 2024 8:27 PM In reply to

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    Re: Any updates from NAB?

    Jason Sedmak:
    But truly, the only feature I miss the most, is the ability to see "source timeline." I will fight any man that working from timelines is the absolute best way to edit, and in Avid, I bounce back and forth between source/record timeline views constantly. Yes, you can edit from a source timeline, yes you can have multiple windows of timelines open, yes you can copy/paste or drag from said multiple timelines (handy for broll reels), but the hot-key editing from one-to-the-other like in Avid just isn't there. There actually is a "source-timeline" feature in DR, but honestly, it just confuses the heck out of me.

    Totally agree with this and the ability in Avid to easily patch tracks from say a sequence loaded in source is sorely missed in DR. Also uniquely with Avid blank space is treated as media, and that too we take for granted. I haven't done a lot in anger with the DR edit page but I've spent a bit of time customising my keyboard template for the Avid keyboard and that works well. The really big thing about DR though is everything else right on hand. Colour blows the doors off anything in Avid (and I have Baselight Editions too); colour management like RCM and Aces with CSTs, far better than Avid; FX and tracking both planar and 3D match anything in BCC and Mocha; just to touch on one - there are so many more. Linking to media a joy and instant, compared to the horrible Source Browser in Avid; Fairlight is a total no brainer and worth the price of entry alone; and that's me coming from Pro Tools too; the AI in 19, absolutely flies in Fairlight too. Fusion, again right in the app; titling alone in it is unworldly (though that can be used in Avid too, with the plugin and Fusion studio). All this for 230 quid, perpetual for life, one off. Hell I've got two Studio licences, since I bought a camera too.

    Avid is still king for offline editing; but a lot of that is because of our muscle memory; DR editing is a different way of working and it's mostly all there but it's best to learn to use it their way, to get the best out of it. Long form is quite possible but I wouldn't want to in it; not over Avid, at least.

    I would say the ideal combo would be to cut in Avid; finish in Resolve and this is very do-able; done all the time in fact when you pass over to a colourist. But AAF round trip has quite a lot of restrictions and one of the few FX that carries over is 3D Warp (make sure you use that for all transforms if roundtripping); which is a bit limiting if you want to cut fast, good and completely in Avid; as we're used to.

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  • Sun, Apr 28 2024 8:57 PM In reply to

    Re: Any updates from NAB?

    .....ah....that makes sense...did we all sing kumbayha that day?  is there a club of the Oct 13, 2005 folks?

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  • Sun, Apr 28 2024 11:48 PM In reply to

    Re: Any updates from NAB?

    Recent Avid improvements? I think they've been the way they are for a number of years now, and Resolve's "segment" editing is definitely stronger. 

    Multi-cam in DR is strong -- especially if you have their speed editor panels -- as is all the ways one can sync, although the only time I used it I got a little flustered with on-the-fly targeting, but I chock that up to me just not knowing how to do it. The multi-split window is superior. There's a separate "cut" panel that can make assembling multi-cam even faster, and it can even track what cutaways you want just based on sync. Honestly, I don't ever use it as we generally don't get more than 2-5 cameras and for so few I prefer to mortis the extra tracks. 

    If you're that interested, I suggest you watch some of the great DR training/overview videos at BM's website.

    j

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  • Mon, Apr 29 2024 12:43 AM In reply to

    Re: Any updates from NAB?

    If you've been on DR for the past several years, then perhaps your frame of reference is from back then? I want to know what "stronger" means to you. Just curious. if you can present an example or two. I would expect newer software to present all kinds of improvements, but need an experienced MC editor to elaborate. Or compare beyond buzzwords. One cannot easily get that dual perspective in online videos. If too busy-- no worries. Thx.

     

     

     

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  • Mon, Apr 29 2024 2:12 AM In reply to

    Re: Any updates from NAB?

    I keep up with Avid, and used it for a commercial delivery just two months ago. I'm afraid creating demonstration videos is outside of my bandwidth, unfortunately, sorry!

    j

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  • Mon, Apr 29 2024 2:27 AM In reply to

    Re: Any updates from NAB?

    I never asked for any videos, but if that's your answer to a follow-up question, no worries, carry on.

     

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  • Mon, Apr 29 2024 4:34 AM In reply to

    Re: Any updates from NAB?

    No worries! Honestly, if you want detailed answers, this is what you want... and they're not BS buzz words videos. Skip the first two if you want to just see multi cam in action:

    https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/training

    j

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  • Mon, Apr 29 2024 5:28 AM In reply to

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    I will however impart this (in regards to segments):

    In DR, one can select multiple clips and adjust the parameters in ONE "inspector" and the changes affect all clips selected. The Inspector is kinda like Premiere's "effect/motion" window, where you can adjust, among many other things, gain, scale, position, blend mode (yes, blend modes), crops, reframes, interpolations, etc.. And, you can copy the whole pallet and paste those parameters (which ones you can specify) across and any all clips with one paste. 

    Of course with Avid, one can save an effect and drop them all on multiple clips, but you have to pick "one" effect, and you certainly can't interactively change them all at the same time. And like Premiere -- which I'm very adept at, but have truly hated for nearly 30 years -- there is no "Framelex," just pure access to whatever resolution the clip has. Read that especially as "stronger" for reframing especially when it comes to alternate deliveries, like square and 9:16.

    I will say, 'tho, that adding/selecting/modifying transitions is still a pain compared to Avid, even if the ability to customize them is greater. Oh, and it doesn't keep transitions if you edit over or replace. Lastly, I desperately miss Avid's customizable time code window... it's still an overlay, like Premiere.

    Ok, I'm done now, this is an Avid forum after all. 
    j

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  • Mon, Apr 29 2024 6:58 AM In reply to

    Re: Any updates from NAB?

    I second that impulse.

    What I have been pleased with, regarding MC's segment mode, is the ease with which we can move clips in any direction, duplicate, mute and select timeline clips using the tools in the Timeline context menu. it's  helped stimulate possibilities by allowing an added level of "non-linear" during offline. 

    Appreciate your in-depth comparisons, thx.

     

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  • Mon, Apr 29 2024 12:02 PM In reply to

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    Cmd+option+shift and drag to duplicate a clip directly in the timeline is an excellent segment mode feature. Not sure if other NLEs have it but I do love that one. Great timesaver. 

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  • Mon, Apr 29 2024 12:13 PM In reply to

    Re: Any updates from NAB?

    Do a search for Adobe Premiere "pancake editing" and let me know what you think of there source timeline editing if that's waht you are talking about. A guy named Vashi Nedomansky discusses "source timeline' stuff in much detail. Not quite as nicely as Avid but quite nicely all the same.

    As per updates in general Adobe seems to have daily updates to its beta softwares which I imagine are based largely on machine learning and they are never behind on being qualified on any version of the Mac OS. Granted Adobe is a much larger company but why are they always up to date with the most recent Mac OS and Avid is not? Quite often these are important security patches from Apple and as an often remote worker I am always online with my Avid. I worry sometimes.

     

    A quick question on scriptsync and fiction. I often use scriptsync for fiction projects and it is a great way to go. Not talking documentary here but fiction use are there any updates in scriptsync. Does anyone forsee a day when I can lasso all my multi cam and single camera clips wild track etc. and drop them on a script page and wallah it is done for you or just about? Will AI revolutionize scriptsync prep etc or can we expect it to roughly remain as it is. I have watched the recent videos and the advances in documentary workflow.

    Thanks

  • Mon, Apr 29 2024 1:07 PM In reply to

    Re: Any updates from NAB?

    @Telegram!, You can do all those things, as well as swapping, rippling, and truncating.

    @ripvanmarlowe, yes, like, above, you can duplicate segments in DR (and Premiere).

    @ohthehorror, yes, "pankake" editing is what I meant by having multiple timeline windows open (and multiple tabs) and you can use any and all "segment" mode features to move pieces from one to other. Now Scriptsync is where Avid has them all beat, however both Premiere and Resolve have powerful transcription features, searching once transcribed, and editing from those transcriptions in similar ways to Scriptsync, but captioning is closely tied to this functionality, and they function as a dedicated track(s), can be more robustly edited/customized and exported. As far as "automatically" drag your elements "and your done," I guess I don't understand... done editing? 

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  • Mon, Apr 29 2024 1:24 PM In reply to

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    Jason Sedmak:
    As far as "automatically" drag your elements "and your done," I guess I don't understand... done editing? 

    Jason, don't you know about the "and you're done" button? It's such a timesaver! Stick out tongue

    Andi

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  • Mon, Apr 29 2024 1:35 PM In reply to

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    Re: Any updates from NAB?

    ripvanmarlowe:

    Cmd+option+shift and drag to duplicate a clip directly in the timeline is an excellent segment mode feature. Not sure if other NLEs have it but I do love that one. Great timesaver. 

    Andi

    This is where Avid has it all, Andi; but as I say I feel that is more about our 2nd nature with it. Segment mode, lift, extract, move media around; all that, is because space is media too in Avid; I'm not sure that's the case anywhere else? This is why we all love the good old Title tool, because that too is just Alpha media, that can be dropped anywhere. But and I'm not a salesman for DR; and for the forseeable my main income will be from Avid; I am up for getting more into trying out DR to cut stuff, and learning to use it as it was designed not as I am trying to force it to be; as I am doing for a personal project, right now. If round trip AAF was better there would be no question of not using both and doing all the fast cutting in Avid; but it's not sadly and it hasn't improved for some time; which is strange because AAF works much better from FCPX to Resolve and back than it does in the inventor's app.

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