simonthepiemon:

I've always been a keen adopter of new technology and I'm happy to adapt and take time to learn new things, but this Titler+ thing just plain sucks. So here's my feedback:

The main issues for me aside from it being super fiddly to just animate a simple move on the text are that it doesn't even stay the way you've rendered it after an export?! I make the title, I spend 30 times as long as I used to animating it, I render it and I'm happy but then the export has the first frame of the title being scaled too big. 

Avid has a situation where editors were happy to not use third party title creators to make their title. Now everyone is turning to Adobe to get these things done. I understand the desire for a 'native, in-context' title tool, but the old title tool wasn't broken. Surely if you're making new underlying architecture, use that?

Also side note, I used to put video layers within text all the time to make titles look better. Why can't I do that anymore? 

You're literally turning Avid editors into Premiere Pro editors. My last hope is for this next version. 

 

Hi simonthepiemon, sorry to hear about your expirience - we are aware of the issues with Titler+ and are working immensly to resolve it's core architectural issues that causing the performance and stability issues you are refering - it will take a bit more time, but we are making a lot of progress.

As you can see in my comment above, I've shown how you can easily fill your text and/or shape with a video layer - hope that's help. 

I'll be happy to hear about what is you describe as "super fiddly" to animate a simple move? are you refering to the workflow or to the stability/predectability?

Thanks,

Elad

Thank you for the video layer tip. I will give this a try, however I do feel that exporting and reimporting a title with a key effect will at least enable it to render normally (i.e not adding keyframes of movement randomly)

Happy to give you a fiddly example:

Let's say I have a simple two-line title. I want the top layer of text a little smaller than the bottom layer so I create 2 text boxes. That's all fine, but the fiddliness comes when i try to keyframe a move. 
Typically I'll do a push in, so I'll go to select one the text boxes and it'll think I want to edit the text so I have to click on and off until it's just got the box selected. I think there's maybe a shortcut to centre a title, but I don't know it so I have to guess that by dragging around, then that red crosshair centre point needs to also be exactly centred (what is the point of that thing?).
Once all that's sorted I select the box, add a keyframe at the end, then put one at the beginning, select the slider to make it smaller, but when I try to use the arrows to step down in scale, it does one step of scale, then immediately forgets I'm on the scale slider and starts moving the whole box left. So I have to put it back and then use the mouse slider or type in a number. 

Then you do all that slowly and patiently with both boxes, get it moving right, render it and it plays back with a first frame of the wrong size. So you click into the effect editor and it's added a keyframe at the start. So it's a mixture of stability and predictability and workflow. 

Workflow wise I want to be able to create text and put it in exactly the place I want it quickly, then I want to be able to move and manipulate that text as easily as the 3D Warp effect is for example. I think it makes more sense to have a title that you add effects to, than to have a title that IS an effect.
Honestly the old Title Tool workflow worked perfectly. It's logical as well. When you're editing, creating titles is a completely different creative process in the mind. You don't need that task to be "seamless within the edit". If anything it's easier for it to be a separate thing to tackle in one go. 

To summarise - The old workflow made more logical sense to me, and the old software design operated far more smoothly, predictably and efficiently. 

Indeed, gracias.....the foreground to 100% part was what I missed when trying this.  Fact is, this is just as easy as the old Title Tool to add video fill using this method.

Love this forum...learning every day.

...note that using this method will fill in any outline or shadow with video as well.  So, an end user has to create separate tracks with those elements using copies of the title effect with the fill....

 

.....if you had a glitch at the top of an animation and found a keyframe that should not be there and deleted it, did it clear up the glitch?

....BTW, the red thing is the pivot point for rotation.....moving it will change the way layers rotate.   

Robert Martindale:

.....if you had a glitch at the top of an animation and found a keyframe that should not be there and deleted it, did it clear up the glitch?

On the contrary. If the first keyframe had scale 88, and the second 84, I'd delete the first keyframe and suddenly the second one behaves like it's at 88 (although it still says 84). So you render that and you've lost your move, so you go back in and find the keyframes are now identical so you have to start again. 

Robert Martindale:

....BTW, the red thing is the pivot point for rotation.....moving it will change the way layers rotate.   

Makes sense, and definitely useful, but only for rotation. It seems to start default off centre for me, and then all my scale adjustments move the whole text box off centre towards the anchor point. Very annoying. Should only need an anchor point when adjusting the rotation. 

It's 2023, and this thing is still useless.

Yes, animation can be a problem with Titler+.   Let us hope it is at the top of the list for the AVID engineers.  Stills are fine, it seems.

For now, a suggestion to try a copy of NewBlue TotalFX 360 that includes Titler Pro 7.  Titles made in that program are cross platform and work in AVID, Premiere, Vegas, Resolve.  It is a native plugin to Media Composer.

Braden Oberson:

It's 2023, and this thing is still useless.

As we've posted many, many, many times before, here and on social media sites, we are in the middle of fixing it and are targeting early 2024 for the release of the fix. To fix the underlying architecture at the scale it needs to be done, it will indeed take that long. So please be patient, and in the meantime, feel free to use other 3rd party titling options or to install Media Composer on any Windows machine, where the classic Title Tool still works on all new versions. 

No real-time playback with titles, and it is necessary for me to render titles in order to play back in any sequence.

Furthermore, if I adjust audio placement under a rendered Title+ title - the title becomes unrendered.

 

Is this a known bug or is there some setting I don't know about that resolve this for me? 

 

Thanks very much.

I'm hopping a cool demo video wil accompany the new launch. Titler Plus Plus! In 2024.

 

Hey Chris,

 

IS there an update on the status of Titler+?

Teams are constantly working on it.

Release-wise... we've been publicly saying "mid-2024" for a while now, and so far that is still the aim. 

As we round into the final third of 2024...any sense of how this thing is progressing?

Thank you.  I would very much like to know that, too.  I don't have a good feeling about it, personally, looking back at AVID's titling history.  

I just upgraded to use the AI transcription tool and it's not showing up for me in 2024.6.  Lovely.  And my NewBlueTitlerPro isn't showing up either.  <sigh>  Very disheartening.

Jim (AVID editor since 1994)

- Sorry.  Will update my old system specs.

 

hi Jim

Titler+ is in progress and some customers are testing it for us to make sure we get it right.  

I see you have a casegoing for your AI issue ( Case 04853720 ) and Calrence is assisting.  

I will throwin the issue with NewBlue so he know to address that as well.

Marianna