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  • Sat, May 21 2022 5:07 PM

    DVD/Blu-ray Authoring in 2022?

    I appologize for posting in the MC software forum, but I'm sure I'm not the only one in need of some insight into this. 

    I recently had a film air on PBS and they needed DVD's of the program for people to buy (Apparently no-one in their audience wants Blu-rays). I discovered that all the tools I used to use for DVD authoring are now effectively extinct. This includes the high-end MPEG2 encoders and the authoring software itself. We ended up outsourcing to a large duplication company, but had some issues getting the encode quality at the old professional standard (Cinemacraft encoder). Digging deeper, it seems many pieces of software can't legally exist because various licensing agreements are now defunct. 

    So, the big question is - how does one make a professional level DVD/Bluray with menus in 2022?

    Is there a mid-level authoring suite with the power of the retired Encore software or DVD studio pro? I'm sure there is still options in the high-end space and the consumer space has lots of Mickey Mouse "drag and burn" stuff. Just wondering if there is something for people who want better encoding quality and the ability to make more complex menus without the 50K price tag. 

    Thoughts on TMPGEnc Authoring Works 6? DVD architect in Vegas Pro 15? Is there any mac software options?

    Any suggestions would be helpful. 

     

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  • Sun, May 22 2022 10:33 AM In reply to

    • St.John
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    Re: DVD/Blu-ray Authoring in 2022?

    Is Toast by Roxio suitable? its what I use.

     

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  • Sun, May 22 2022 12:24 PM In reply to

    Re: DVD/Blu-ray Authoring in 2022?

    The issue with many of the lower cost products is they often don't have very efficient MPEG2 encoding and that leads to poor results.

    The solution I use is to encode the Audio and Video seperately (and QC them to be sure the result is ok and DVD compliant) and then use these assets in a DVD authoring application. If the content is DVD compliant most software will just pass it along and not re-encode.

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  • Sun, May 22 2022 1:52 PM In reply to

    Re: DVD/Blu-ray Authoring in 2022?

    Hi Robert, and thank you for asking this.  I've been an editor of PBS documentaries for decades, and have gone through not only the disc authoring process, but also the VHS process that came before it.  

    Back then it was called PBS Home Video, which eventually was rebranded as PBS-D.  There were many ways to deliver shows to them for meetig their home video offer requirements.  I remember plenty of times when I authored DVDs myself.  I also remember plenty of times when I was simply sending all of the elements to PBS directly and they were doing it. (Mine looked better, thank you very much.) 

    The last one I did for them was around a year ago.  They wanted to discuss both ways of delivery with me - either my sending a hard drive with the master program on it, or my authoring of a DVD on my own. For that, I still have a MacPro 1;1 with DVD Studio Pro on it.  I am always able to dust off my authoring skills and do it that way... but in the end, it actually turned out to be a MUCH more stable and secure decision to simply send everything to one of the PBS-sanctioned post houses like Pillar-2-Post or Henninger, and have them make it.  Really top-notch people work at both, and they also completely understand every single new delivery item that PBS asks for - which seems to change constantly. 

    Now, I know that doesn't really answer your original question.

    I simply wanted to stress that PBS - and other public media entities like APT (etc) - have requirements that change so much, that all of the producers I've worked for have decided to spend the litle bit extra to simply "let them deal with it". Plus, there is the peace of mind in letting someone who makes discs constantly handle it, instead of me, who makes one every 6 months ;) 

    Plus, ever since the original DVD authoring apps were EOL'd, I've personally seen the trustworthiness of "homemade" disc creation go down. One in ten discs simply don't work.  Some people say it's the quality of the discs themselves, but I disagree.  I spent years learning that DVD authoring always created glitches in the discs when I made the mistake of launching Premiere or Media Composer while Encore was in the middle of writing to the disc, because the simple act of system resources being flashed caused the physical glitches on the screen to happen.  So it's my guess that all of today's background apps like Dropbox etc are the issue.

    All that being said, I have a few editing colleagues at other public media entities who indeed say that they've been impressed with the level of authoring theyre seeing from people using the DVD capabilities in Vegas. 

    Side note -- DVD and BluRay authoring has devinitely become an issue over recent years.  In fact, it's almost taboo to speak about it, because one of the main reasons for all of the original authoring apps to have dropped their continued support for it had to do with a threatened lawsuit by one of the software companies that made components found in all of the DVD authoring apps out there. Hence the state we're all in.

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  • Sun, May 22 2022 2:18 PM In reply to

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    Re: DVD/Blu-ray Authoring in 2022?

    DVD Architect Pro in Vegas is quite reliable.

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  • Sun, May 22 2022 3:19 PM In reply to

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    Re: DVD/Blu-ray Authoring in 2022?

    TVJohn:

    DVD Architect Pro in Vegas is quite reliable.

    Vegas DVD Architect Pro is discontinued and not purchable anymore like lots of the other applications that we used in the past. Magix, a German company, has taken over Vegas Pro from Sony a while ago. In their very latest releases of the Vegas suites there is no DVD Architect included anymore.

    Also, DVD Architect Pro was Windows only. Robert is looking for a Mac solution. Wink

    I'm not a specialist anymore on the Mac, but after some research it looks like Roxio Toast 20 Pro comes the closest to what optical disc authoring has been on the Mac platform.

    For encoding you can use Shutter Encoder that is available for Mac and Windows.

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  • Sun, May 22 2022 3:33 PM In reply to

    Re: DVD/Blu-ray Authoring in 2022?

    CinéMatica:

    Vegas DVD Architect Pro is discontinued and not purchable anymore

    Shame on me for not knowing that. 

    CinéMatica:

    it looks like Roxio Toast 20 Pro comes the closest to what optical disc authoring has been on the Mac platform

    Thanks for looking into that.

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  • Mon, May 23 2022 8:19 PM In reply to

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    Re: DVD/Blu-ray Authoring in 2022?

    TMPGEnc Authoring Works 6

     

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  • Mon, May 23 2022 10:36 PM In reply to

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    Re: DVD/Blu-ray Authoring in 2022?

    Another vote here for TMPGenc Authoring Works.  Not as easy to modify the menus as the old Adobe Encore -- but really the best game left in town as I see it.

     

    EDIT:  YIKES!  This is the mac forum.  Windows only.  Apologies.

  • Tue, May 24 2022 12:47 AM In reply to

    Re: DVD/Blu-ray Authoring in 2022?

    I was going to suggest DVD-lab Pro 2.5 as it is still available and still works here after a couple of Decades. However checking just now shows it is Windows only.

    Nero burning ROM and Platinum suites are still available for both Mac and PC and could be worth a look. I have only used it for encoding and decoding as I have existing well established workflows with DVD -lab PRO.   

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