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  • Fri, Sep 10 2021 11:57 PM

    • Tom Cook
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    Speccing Out a New System

    Folks:

    I've been advised previously that an 8-core system is the very minimum I need if I want decent performnce while editing with AMC I've also been told to get only Intel processors. Trouble I'm finding is the most cores available from Dell is 8- core Intel i9 XPS - whereas an Alienware come in a 16-core configuration but with AMD processors...

    Will Avid run under an AMD or do I need to get ONLY Intel? If the latter, I saw a Precision desktop with 32 c ore but it said it ran 3.0GHz to 4.1 GHz Turbo (and other processor were at upwards of 5 GHz...? And what's an Intel Xenon processor? Will those run AMC?

    Sorry to be so dense but if I'm gonna drop $5K I wqnt to be sure it work...

    Thanks! Tom

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  • Sat, Sep 11 2021 7:09 AM In reply to

    • Mercer
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    Re: Speccing Out a New System

    If you have a budget of $5K then I would look at the current ReadMe for qualified machines:

    https://resources.avid.com/SupportFiles/attach/README_Avid_Editor_v21.6.pdf

    There are many desktops that would fall within this figure there. My personal preference is for HP since their reliability and support seem better than Dell and Avid themselves have said this is the feedback from engineering.

    Many on that list are qualified with only 6/8 cores. Whether you need a 'very minimum' of 8 may depend on the type of work you do - RGB 4:4:4, 4K, many layers/FX e.g. and etc. I have not found any problems with my qualified laptop and a 6 core i7 yet though, even with 4K. The ReadMe however, also details feature performance and core requirements also, though it has always seemed to me unecessarily strict and the reality is that you are mostly always having to render complex intensive graphic led sequences for final finishing no matter the power of the pc at hand - and the simple final render is still one of the beauties of Avid, that is a great leveller for all pcs, unlike some other nles.Yes

    Just to add about your question on Xeon. They are the top Intel enterprise procs that normally go with error corrected ram for greater precision. Traditionally, the only way to get the power and cores necessary for Avid was to use dual processors and that was only avaiable with Xeons. These days there is, IMV, little point in choosing one over an i9 or some i7s. They still do have a higher core count though. The feature performance details I referred to seem quite out of date to me now and don't seem to have been updated, for some time, in light of new faster higher core processors or systems.

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  • Sat, Sep 11 2021 11:39 AM In reply to

    Re: Speccing Out a New System

    Tom Cook:

    Folks:

    I've been advised previously that an 8-core system is the very minimum I need if I want decent performnce while editing with AMC I've also been told to get only Intel processors. Trouble I'm finding is the most cores available from Dell is 8- core Intel i9 XPS - whereas an Alienware come in a 16-core configuration but with AMD processors...

    Will Avid run under an AMD or do I need to get ONLY Intel? If the latter, I saw a Precision desktop with 32 c ore but it said it ran 3.0GHz to 4.1 GHz Turbo (and other processor were at upwards of 5 GHz...? And what's an Intel Xenon processor? Will those run AMC?

    Sorry to be so dense but if I'm gonna drop $5K I wqnt to be sure it work...

    Thanks! Tom

    I've been editing on my Ryzen 7 3700x for about 4 years now. It's an 8 core CPU, and it works really well with Avid Media Composer. The issue is of course that it's not qualified, so If you do have any issues with your system you're on your own. Avid doesn't qualify every system that works with media composer. Personally, If I was to buy a new computer, I would get a qualified one just because of the support - but as I say, I haven't had any problems due to my processor over these years. 

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  • Sat, Sep 11 2021 2:48 PM In reply to

    • TVJohn
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    Re: Speccing Out a New System

    I have been doing this since the '90s. A clean software environment is just as important as the hardware. Many manufactured computers are loaded with bloatware, free trials, etc. For that reason, I have assembled my own PC's.

    That aside, for video work in general, higher clock speeds has always yeilded better performance than core counts, the RAM should complement the processor, not be a bottleneck.]

    For a workgroup, a qualified system is very important. For singuliar off line editing, not so much.

    If you are in a high stress production line of work do not overlook the quality of electric power supplying your suite. Quality electric receptacles, electrical circuts that are not also carrying high draw heavy current inrush loads (like an AC) are important.]

    PC power supplies work best when outputting 40-65 percent of expected load.

    Best of luckl.

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  • Sat, Sep 11 2021 3:14 PM In reply to

    • Tom Cook
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    Re: Speccing Out a New System

    Mercer: Thanks for the rapid reply and advice. So I'm of the assumtion that you (like a few others advising me) feel an 8-core system has sufficie nt ooomph to handle most AMC demands...? Sure wouldn't mind saving a few $$$. Tom

    Dell XPS720, quadcore 3.6 GHz, 28 GB RAM, Avid Media Composer v8.7.2 [view my complete system specs]
  • Sat, Sep 11 2021 4:14 PM In reply to

    • Mercer
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    Re: Speccing Out a New System

    Tom Cook:

    Mercer: Thanks for the rapid reply and advice. So I'm of the assumtion that you (like a few others advising me) feel an 8-core system has sufficie nt ooomph to handle most AMC demands...? Sure wouldn't mind saving a few $$. Tom

    As I say Tom it depends on your workflow. If you are buying a system as a state of the art finishing system then you'd probably still want the high end dual Xeon multi core ones but in my experience even those require rendering output at some point. I would pick from the qualified list and $5K should get you a good HP Z2/4 with a good graphics card and plenty of ram. I would think an 8 core i7/9 in them would be enough for most work in Avid right now.Yes

     

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  • Sat, Sep 11 2021 4:39 PM In reply to

    • Tom Cook
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    Re: Speccing Out a New System

    John: As I always get from the forum, great advice, thanks. Appreciate the comments...

    Dell XPS720, quadcore 3.6 GHz, 28 GB RAM, Avid Media Composer v8.7.2 [view my complete system specs]
  • Sun, Sep 12 2021 12:10 PM In reply to

    • scocklin
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    Re: Speccing Out a New System

    My 9 year old Z800 work station died during an edit 2 weeks ago,  the computer just shut down in the middle of an edit and it would not re-start.  

    I purchased a refurbished Z6 G4, like the Z800 the Z6 has room to grow (avability for a second processor, more memory) Price was in your ball park.  

    Love the increase in speed! RIP z800.

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  • Sun, Sep 12 2021 3:32 PM In reply to

    • Tom Cook
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    Re: Speccing Out a New System

    Socklin - sorry to hear about the death in the family but thanks for the advice. Can you enlighten me on a point - I keep seeing options for "second processor" (and you referecned it) but what's THAT do when/if I originally but an 18-core. Does THAT mean I have 18 processors going to begin with...? 

    Thanks again. Tom

    Dell XPS720, quadcore 3.6 GHz, 28 GB RAM, Avid Media Composer v8.7.2 [view my complete system specs]
  • Tue, Sep 14 2021 4:04 PM In reply to

    • LDV20
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    Re: Speccing Out a New System

    Tom Cook:
    Sorry to be so dense but if I'm gonna drop $5K I wqnt to be sure it work..

    FYI - Can't go worng with qualified HP system  if you have the budget and the need.    You can also get an i9,(10920X)   64gigmemory,SSD C drive,thundrbolt 3 -1000 watt PSU and case for under 3K -  (grahphic card might be a bit more depends what you choose) -. Got BM 4K mini monitor card - raid 5 - sata drives - external drives.  SDI  going to Flanders monitor.   Fast transcoding as well. This is what I have had running for a year now and have not had any problems - pushing 4K with plenty effects - sometimes I have to render a bit when I work in 10bit 1080P with alot of tracks and effects with  linked media.    I think this is do to a lousy raid card.  Perfect edit flow when I transcode for final edit.

    BTW   I  keep the machine lean without any bloatware.

     

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