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  • Tue, Jun 23 2020 9:55 AM

    Apples move away from Intel CPUs to ARM

    So in 2 years Apple computers will be running ARM CPUs not intel.

    That will require a seperate code base for Media composer as well as the Intel code base.

    The rossetta translation or any sort of emulation just won't cut it for a piece of software that has to work directly with the hardware.

    Also as Thunderbolt is Intel based its looking like Apple TB will be dropped for USB4.

    So whats the future of Mac in editing with MC?

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  • Tue, Jun 23 2020 1:48 PM In reply to

    • jcmcnamee
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    Re: Apples move away from Intel CPUs to ARM

    Yeah maybe this is a better thread for all of this. Avid we know this was only just announced but it's something that's been in the works for a while so I assume there's a plan? Is there hope?

    And also when will MC 2020 be out of beta (because I still consider it a beta in present form).

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  • Tue, Jun 23 2020 3:11 PM In reply to

    • smrpix
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    Re: Apples move away from Intel CPUs to ARM

    I dumped Apple from my phone and PC, and other than a few cosmetic niceties haven't missed it.  Indeed, day to day work became smoother and less frustrating.

     

    I'm not particularly an Apple hater.  I admire their innovations over the years, but on an operational level -- why bother?

  • Tue, Jun 23 2020 3:52 PM In reply to

    Re: Apples move away from Intel CPUs to ARM

    I had an iphone once for a year or so. And it was ok. But then I relaised I was living my life the way Apple dictated. When I move to Android it opened back up to me and I regained the joy of adaptng tecnology to my needs not mine to its.

     

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  • Thu, Jun 25 2020 12:28 PM In reply to

    • SteveK
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    Re: Apples move away from Intel CPUs to ARM

    perhasp we should have stayed with Acorn :)

    https://www.theregister.com/2020/04/27/arm_35_year_anniversary/

     

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  • Thu, Jun 25 2020 12:51 PM In reply to

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    Re: Apples move away from Intel CPUs to ARM

    Maybe time for a Linux version....

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  • Thu, Jun 25 2020 1:29 PM In reply to

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    Re: Apples move away from Intel CPUs to ARM

    TVJohn:

    Maybe time for a Linux version....

    That would be interesting.
    I would certainly give it a try.

     

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  • Fri, Jun 26 2020 11:17 AM In reply to

    • pierreh
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    Re: Apples move away from Intel CPUs to ARM

    I'd be up for that, as long as it adds GPU support - that's the whole point of running Linux for us as you can have many more GPUs in one machine.

    Installed Fedora on an old MacBook Pro and I really like it.

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    Re: Apples move away from Intel CPUs to ARM

    Does it also mean the end of Hackintosh? I'm guessing they'll find a way of adapting OS11 for Intel PCs.

    What about Boot Camp - no more Windows on Macs?

    Or maybe you'll be able to run Big Sur on a Raspberry Pi!

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  • Fri, Jun 26 2020 11:42 AM In reply to

    • Miguel
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    Re: Apples move away from Intel CPUs to ARM

    No more Boot Camp.
    No more Windows on Mac.

    https://www.macrumors.com/2020/06/25/talk-show-wwdc-gruber-federighi-joswiak/

    This is the return of:
    - Rosetta: translate x86 code to ARM and...
    Universal Binaries: fat compliations for both Intel and ARM systems

    Intel Macs will be supported for years to come.

    https://youtu.be/Hg9F1Qjv3iU?t=2725

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  • Fri, Jun 26 2020 1:33 PM In reply to

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    Re: Apples move away from Intel CPUs to ARM

    pierreh:

    I'd be up for that, as long as it adds GPU support - that's the whole point of running Linux for us as you can have many more GPUs in one machine.

    Installed Fedora on an old MacBook Pro and I really like it.

    My problem with Linux is that I never worked with it. I don't knows its capabilities, its philosophy, i.e. its workflow. My point of view is that understanding the system itself, not just de application you work with, is imperative, not only to take the best out of it, but also, to know its issues, prevent them and work around them. I do know that Linux and macOS, share a common base - UNIX. I'm also aware that, unlike macOS, Linux allows you to work with the hardware of your choice - nVidia GPU is what pops into my mind, right away. One other thing that confuses me is the diversity of flavours - Fedora, Ubuntu, Red Hat - some free, others paid... which must represent a headace in terms of support. Again, I'm out of my league, here.

    This move from Apple is towards the opposite direction of the previous one from PPC to Intel. My guess is that Macintosh will return to be a closed system as it was before, only today, they have the so called ecosystem and much broader user base.

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  • Sun, Jun 28 2020 12:03 PM In reply to

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    Re: Apples move away from Intel CPUs to ARM

    As we spend two months in Lockdown here in Paris, Linux became a little past-time once editing work stopped. Tried several "distros" on a 2014 MacBook Pro and I have to say I'm pretty happy with what I found in Fedora.

    Resolve and Lightworks both make Linux versions, and once you're in the application, it doesn't really matter what OS you're using. And Linux is pretty flexible that it doesn't take much time to figure out how to use the "CMD" key for shortcuts that all us Mac users are used to (been on Mac since the 80s...) instead of the "CTRL" that the Windows and the Linux world are used to.

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  • Mon, Jun 29 2020 6:57 AM In reply to

    Re: Apples move away from Intel CPUs to ARM

    I can't make any comments on the technical (dis)advantages of going to ARM. Having moved away from Apple myself and only coming across the occasional MC on mac customer I'm not even able to comment on the latest Mac pro's and Catelina. 

    But whatever the technical improvements (or not) might be, if the policies at Apple and Avid do not change and Avid has to start the development and testing when the actual new ARM systems with their new OS's come out, I see no reason to believe that it will not take 6 months to a year. after Apple's release date. for Avid to release a stable version again, followed by Apple OS updates, testing again... the everlasting circle.

    From my point of view I can't see any benefits for our industry from this latest anouncement on the roadmap by Apple.  More power per watt is nice for portable devices. On your new Mac pro? 

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  • Mon, Jun 29 2020 11:11 AM In reply to

    • Miguel
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    Re: Apples move away from Intel CPUs to ARM

    Jeroen van Eekeres:

    But whatever the technical improvements (or not) might be, if the policies at Apple and Avid do not change and Avid has to start the development and testing when the actual new ARM systems with their new OS's come out, I see no reason to believe that it will not take 6 months to a year after Apple release date for Avid to release a stable version again, followed by Apple OS updates, testing again... the everlasting circle.  

    Avid could start by applying to this Apple's Developer Program, for transitioning Media Composer to ARM.

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