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  • Wed, May 6 2020 12:58 PM In reply to

    Re: Intel v AMD for MC

    At our facility the XW8000 and then XW8200 machines that were online systems got moved to offline for many more years and then office workstations for far more years after that.

    HP make workhorses and the initial investment repays itself time and time again.

     

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  • Wed, May 6 2020 2:52 PM In reply to

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    Re: Intel v AMD for MC

    To be clear, most large companies assemble computers using parts from various suppliers. You can do that independently.

    Granted, most end users do not have access to ALL information, specifications, MTBF and bulk pricing that a large PC provider commands.

    I have opened and replaced components on a great many manufactured computer systems, some built like tanks, others not so much.

    Bad capacitor plague infested even high end systems a few years ago. 

    I would not recommend any large production houses or high demand businesses gamble their business on non certified systems.

    Dell Display U2713HM(2560x1440), AMD FX8350 8core, AMD 990FX mobo, 32gig-DDR3-1600, Quadro K620/GTX260/core 216, Audigy2zs, 1TB SSD system drive, 2TB SATA... [view my complete system specs]

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  • Thu, May 7 2020 2:27 PM In reply to

    Re: Intel v AMD for MC

    If your business depends on MC then it makes a lot of sense to go for a certified system, as you don't want to take any risks. Right now this means getting an Intel CPU.

    My business depends on Premiere, so my Threadripper (v1) machine has been build for that. In the beginning I had some performance problems with Avid, that I also reported on this forum. Some issues were caused by audio (VST) plugins. Another part of the problem was simply MC's classic interface that wasn't very snappy, and I found out later that this lack of snappiness exists on Intel-systems as well. The new 2019 interface should solve this. The last reason was using long-GOP footage (as well as QT Animation), which Avid doesn't handle nearly as smooth as some competitors do (maybe v2020 will?).

    At this moment I'm editing a documentary, 4K project, with footage transcoded to 1080p DNxHR LB. Stability is perfect. I've had zero crashes or other problems in about 30 days of editing so far (version 2018.12). Nonetheless, if I were to buy a new system now, specifically for Avid, then I would opt for a certified Intel-system. Just to be sure.

    AMD however, seems to be getting ahead of the game, and it would be a waste for Avid not to start testing and qualifying AMD-systems. It's about time that we all get rid of our dependency on a single CPU-supplier.

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  • Thu, May 7 2020 11:24 PM In reply to

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    Re: Intel v AMD for MC

    I'm pretty sure the newer AMD Zen 2 are okay with MC.
    Been troubleshooting my students' MC installations, had a few Zen 2 among them, all good.
    On one machine MC wouldn't detect the soundcard, Asio4All was enough to fix.
    I think having an AMD option is very desirable right now, but it still takes an eco-system.

    Intel has a few problems right now: ARM, Apple, AMD and a 10nm process that hasn't materialized in 4 years.
    But Intel never payed for their failures or their sins, it only matters what HP and Dell do, and they don't have much incentive to pick up AMD.


    Intel launches pro parts on paper only now, new Xeon W-32XX were allegedly launched Q2'19.
    You still can't buy them, Apple has a few for Mac Pros.


    So, from Intel you can't buy a state of the art workstation because the CPU is vapor-ware.
    And for AMD you can buy, because there are no pro-level boards or HP workstations..

    You can buy state of the art gamer systems from AMD or Intel though.
    It's possible AMD will be on 4nm before Intel is on 10... let’s see what happens then.

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  • Fri, May 8 2020 12:31 AM In reply to

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    Re: Intel v AMD for MC

    There's nothing like competition to keep pricing appropriate and to drive inovation.

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  • Fri, May 8 2020 8:35 PM In reply to

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    Re: Intel v AMD for MC

    are any of those HP turds rendering at 4.7ghz with 14 cores?

    this becomes more useful when transcoding is at 100% all the way.


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  • Fri, May 8 2020 10:57 PM In reply to

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    Re: Intel v AMD for MC

    Walter Johan:

    Nonetheless, if I were to buy a new system now, specifically for Avid, then I would opt for a certified Intel-system. Just to be sure.

    AMD however, seems to be getting ahead of the game, and it would be a waste for Avid not to start testing and qualifying AMD-systems. It's about time that we all get rid of our dependency on a single CPU-supplier.

     

    I would agree with the going certified argument... but for those who want to DIY for whatever reason, notes can be (and are) compared here on the forums. :)

     

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  • Sat, May 9 2020 8:16 AM In reply to

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    Re: Intel v AMD for MC

    cls105:

    are any of those HP turds rendering at 4.7ghz with 14 cores?

    Do you not think you'd make your case a little stronger with a higher level of maturity? You only sound like your trying to convince yourself that don't need an approved system. You can get a HP 'turd' workstation with equal or better processor right now for remarkable value, to me:

    https://store.hp.com/UKStore/Merch/Product.aspx?id=9LP23EA&opt=ABU&sel=DTP&p=b-z4-z6-z8

    I don't sit there transcoding - it is less than 3% of what I do - and it is usually just a playout for the Exec producer, or for online, a viewing copy. Never been a problem and would not be the sole basis of a purchase decision. But if it were for all the reasons mentioned I'd go straight to that link, to avoid downtime and maximise business revenue.

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  • Tue, May 19 2020 8:23 PM In reply to

    Re: Intel v AMD for MC

    We have a fast and stable pure AMD machine running at Mia Media Leipzig.

    Specs:
    Mainboard Gigabyte X570 Aorus Pro AMD X570
    AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 12x 3.80GHz
    Radeon™ Pro WX 7100 (certified by Avid)
    64GB DDR4-3200
    Mojo-DX
    10Gbit Ethernet, Indiestor

    We had some minor hickups in effect mode (Avid Blur Effect f.e.). When moving Bezier-Curves the background video in the composer window changes randomly while dragging, sometimes. This was with Avid 2019.XX version.

    It turns out that the new 2020.04 release of Avid Media Composer fixes the little issue. 2020.04 feels more responsive and stable than 2019.12 so far. We tested it a week during normal editing, colour correction, voice over and exporting MXF OP1A. I did not test capturing from tape. We have the recommended AMD-GPU driver 18Q4 installed. 2020.04 feels really good, so far. Good work!


    Field test video if you like.

    My own setup is HP Z420, 32GB, GTX 1060, Blackmagic Mini Monitor 4K | Latest setup I built for a production firm: AMD Ryzen 3900x, 64GB, Radeon Pro 7100... [view my complete system specs]
  • Mon, May 25 2020 2:15 PM In reply to

    Re: Intel v AMD for MC

    Thanks for that spec sheet Thomas. 

     

    Good to see an AMD user with positive feedback. 

     

    I have decided to go down the Intel route for now. 

     

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    64gb Cosair DDR4 3000mhz Ram

    Quadro RTX 4000

    3 samsung 970 Evo Plus M.2 drives - 1 1TB drive for op system / 2 x 2TB in a Raid 1 for edit drive

     

    Another question i might pose to you all is regarding Monitors. 

     

    I was going to go for 2 x Dell 27inch ultrasharp but im now leaning to the Dell 49 inch Ultrasharp 

     

    https://www.dell.com/en-uk/work/shop/dell-ultrasharp-49-curved-monitor-u4919dw/apd/210-argk/monitors-monitor-accessories?ref=p13n_ena_pdp_mv&c=uk&cs=ukbsdt1&l=en&s=bsd&bvstate=pg:2%2Fct:q&bvroute=Review%2F1051354256

     

    my question is do any of you edit on a curved monitor? its only a small curve but ive seen a few people saying its no chop for editing as you cant get a decent idea of 'level' with the curve? do any of you agree?

     

     

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  • Mon, May 25 2020 4:52 PM In reply to

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    Re: Intel v AMD for MC

    Please do not reduce CPU to the number of cores and clock speed. The IPC is in combination with those at least as important as those.
    You will get the best Avid performance with a combination of CPU cores and clock speed.

    The new Intel plattform aka Comet Lake S is a desktop plattform. Like AMD's AM4 it has limitations (dual channel RAM, PCIe-lanes). So it is not suitable for a workstation. If you want to build a DIY Intel system, the old X299 would be a better choice.
    But if you already decided to build a DIY-NLE, you will not have a qualified system at all. IMHO you should then consider to take a look at the new Threadripper. Especially if you are running a mixture of creative programms. You will get more performance for your money, but it will probably cost more (CPU and mainboard only: net 1800€+).
    At my job I am running a DIY 3960X setup and so far no problem.

    @Avid: Very good idea to test Zen2-based Threadripper. We can benefit if we can choose between Intel and AMD. But I assume that a qualified NLE from HP, Dell, Lenovo with AMD will not be cheaper.

     

    camx-media:

     

     

     

     

    Gigabyte Z490 Vision D motherboard with on board Thunderbolt 3

    Intel i9 10900K 10 core processor

    64gb Cosair DDR4 3000mhz Ram

    Quadro RTX 4000

    3 samsung 970 Evo Plus M.2 drives - 1 1TB drive for op system / 2 x 2TB in a Raid 1 for edit drive

     

     

    If you want to run the mainboard manufracture CPU options (aka I don't care for Intel power options), you should have a good cooling solution.
    Intel CPUs have a decent RAM controller, so you should be able to run higher RAM speed than 3000 and get more performance.
    Above I talked about limits of desktop plattforms. With your M.2 setup you will have one. According to the block diagram (https://download.gigabyte.com/FileList/Manual/mb_manual_z490-vision-d_1001_e.pdf) the M.2 ports are connected with the Z490 chipset. The connection between Z490 and the CPU is Intels DMI3.0, which basically is 4x PCIe3 lanes.

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  • Mon, May 25 2020 11:32 PM In reply to

    • LDV20
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    Re: Intel v AMD for MC

    camx-media:
    Intel i9 10900K 10 core processor

     

    Hi

    I am thinking of this CPU as well: been reading reviews.  Wondering what cooler you are going for?   I read it runs hot and needs alot of cooling - since it can be throttled higher than its stock speed.  Also have you looked into lanes - seems it has 16 on the cpu and 24 and on chipset.  My question is it better to get the i9 10900X cpu which is 40 lanes on cpu.  (If that is correct in what I read.)  I just want to make sure I have enough lanes if I am going with  i9 10900K upgrade.   Also what case are you looking at.

     

    thank you

     

    Larry

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  • Wed, May 27 2020 8:27 AM In reply to

    Re: Intel v AMD for MC

    Larry,

    Considered the water route but as i wont be 'overclocking' or any jiggery pokery the Be Quiet dark pro 4 is my prefered cooler. near on silent but very big so you would need a big case to fit it. 

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  • Wed, May 27 2020 12:59 PM In reply to

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    Re: Intel v AMD for MC

    Hi Camx-

    Thank you - got a farily large case Cooler Master HAF 932 -  I am looking at AIO coolers and large ones.  But still trying to decide between 10900K vs 10900X (x being X299X chipset - intel's HEDT besides having more PCI lanes it is been around for awhile - but more expensive not sure it is worth it)

    L

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  • Wed, May 27 2020 11:39 PM In reply to

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    Re: Intel v AMD for MC

    Engineer founded Noctua have been the default air-coolers for a few years now for tech sites, youtubers, etc
    I used 2-3 dozen, no failures in years.

    For some, more pci-e lanes are alwas better, I need 'em much.
    And you might like a SSD raid at 12 gigabytes per second  in say 2 years, because who wouldn't?
    Pcie is the most direct glue for any periphery.
    But you need a board that makes the lanes acessible, which is the bigger hurdle I found.

     

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