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  • Thu, Feb 27 2020 10:15 AM

    Best CPU for Avid MC - i9, Ryzen 3950X or Threadripper?

    Hi,

    Moving over from Macs and looking to build a hefty PC that in amongst other things will need to run Media Composer without issues. I am trying to decide between the Intel i9's and the AMD Ryzen 3950X or 24 core Threadripper. Has anyone got experience running MC on the AMD's CPU's and how do they perform?

     

    Also looking for a GPU and am think of the GeForce RTX 2080 Ti over the more expensive Quadro RTX500 - will the GeForce be okay with MC?

     

    Any advice on these specific CPUs bad GPU's will be very much appreciated!

     

    Thanks.

  • Thu, Feb 27 2020 2:29 PM In reply to

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    Re: Best CPU for Avid MC - i9, Ryzen 3950X or Threadripper?

    Also planning to build a new workstation so any real life experiences with AMD and Media Composer are greatly appreciated!

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  • Thu, Feb 27 2020 3:16 PM In reply to

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    Re: Best CPU for Avid MC - i9, Ryzen 3950X or Threadripper?

  • Thu, Feb 27 2020 3:45 PM In reply to

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    Re: Best CPU for Avid MC - i9, Ryzen 3950X or Threadripper?

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    We don't have much experience with AMD on this forum ATM.

    People trying it and failing. not sure whether CPU or GPU related.

     

    whether Ryzen or threadripper should depend on the amount of pci-e lanes you need.

    then again, there are no convincing workstation boards that make the threadripper lanes available either.

     

    I’m still looking at Intel Xeon W-3245 to be honest.

    If I could have boards like I can get for intel for threadripper I’d try it.

     

    I do think that MC will play nicely with ZEN 2 architecture.

     

    GPU wise, you'll get much more from the GTX/RTX card.

    The likelyhood for problems increases a bit but none have been insurmountable thus far.

    I have a 1070 and never had any issues.

     

     

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  • Thu, Feb 27 2020 3:49 PM In reply to

    Re: Best CPU for Avid MC - i9, Ryzen 3950X or Threadripper?

    Has NO one had any success running a Ryzen 9 3950X CPU with Avid?

  • Thu, Feb 27 2020 3:50 PM In reply to

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    Re: Best CPU for Avid MC - i9, Ryzen 3950X or Threadripper?

    Like Adman said it might be best to stick with Avid qual.

    Aside.....   here is some scoop on Intel vs AMD

    Apple – Intel CPUs only (with AMD graphics)

    Lenovo – only Intel CPUs in workstations, Nvidia only graphics, no AMD graphics options

    HP – only Intel CPUs in workstations, mostly Nvidia graphics, some AMD graphics options

    Dell – only Intel CPUs in workstations, mostly Nvidia graphics, some AMD graphics options

    Avid video always required higher end systems – workstations.  That is what we qualify.  Our partners provide us with systems and those systems do not have AMD CPU options.

    Why don’t we test low end consumer systems with AMD processors (or even Intel processors)?  Historically, consumer systems don’t perform well, have lower quality, lower CPU life expectancy and generally are not meant to run 24/7 doing video editing.

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  • Thu, Feb 27 2020 3:52 PM In reply to

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    Re: Best CPU for Avid MC - i9, Ryzen 3950X or Threadripper?

    Damian_Knight:

    Has NO one had any success running a Ryzen 9 3950X CPU with Avid?

    No, but nobody has failed either.

     

    I'm quite willing to help you in your attempts Stick out tongue

     

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  • Thu, Feb 27 2020 7:27 PM In reply to

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    Re: Best CPU for Avid MC - i9, Ryzen 3950X or Threadripper?

    actually a few have failed.  I remember my 1st generation ryzen not working well for media composer.  And i've read about bad performance from other people here.

     

    Try it out.  But don't be shocked if there is a delay when hitting play or choppy playback.  At least youll have a transcoding beast.

  • Thu, Feb 27 2020 7:34 PM In reply to

    Re: Best CPU for Avid MC - i9, Ryzen 3950X or Threadripper?

    I think I will stick to an Intel i9 as I know Avid is okay with those. Just to be safe!!

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    Re: Best CPU for Avid MC - i9, Ryzen 3950X or Threadripper?

    Have always thought that upgrading my graphics cards has had no effect.  I dont think Avid uses its GPU much, whatever the process?  Just went from a K2000 to a K4400 - nothing changed as far as I can tell.Confused

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  • Fri, Feb 28 2020 11:41 AM In reply to

    Re: Best CPU for Avid MC - i9, Ryzen 3950X or Threadripper?

    I am budgeting for a Quadro RTX 5000 but really I would rather buy a GeForce 2080Ti - but I am not too sure how nicely they will play with Avid where as the Quadro is certified but its eye watering expensive next to the GeForce

  • Fri, Feb 28 2020 12:39 PM In reply to

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    Re: Best CPU for Avid MC - i9, Ryzen 3950X or Threadripper?

    DIESELE:

    Just went from a K2000 to a K4400 - nothing changed as far as I can tell.Confused

     

    It's really only for plugins. Sapphire, BCC.

    with onboard effects you'll see about 0% improovement.

     

    The consumer card comes with a 20% chance, that you'll have to driver troubleshoot once in it's lifetime.

    Don't know if that's acceptable in your shop.

     

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    Re: Best CPU for Avid MC - i9, Ryzen 3950X or Threadripper?

    Last computer I built started out with a high end gamer's card, and when I could justify it moved to Quadro to become a fully qualified system.  In the PC world you can progressively upgrade almost everything.

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    Re: Best CPU for Avid MC - i9, Ryzen 3950X or Threadripper?

    For what its worth, I have no trouble with my AMD boxes.

    https://www.amd.com/en/products/frontier

    Most complaints with AMD performance and stability go back to the old VIA chipsets, and when AMD did not support the SSE extensions.

    Still, certified systems instill a certain confidence.

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  • Wed, Mar 25 2020 10:38 AM In reply to

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    Re: Best CPU for Avid MC - i9, Ryzen 3950X or Threadripper?

    At work I built a custom workstation with Threadripper 3960X. I will make a separate post about it.
    When I talk about Threadripper, I mean the Zen2-based Threadripper 39X0X. The first two generations had a design problem resulting not to bring the raw performance of the CU to the ground. AMD has changed it for the Zen2-Threadripper.


    There a three big plattforms on the market: consumer, HEDT, server.

    Consumer:
    The fastest CPUs on these plattforms are quite powerful (Ryzen 3950X, i9-9900) and could probably run a workstation. But these consumer plattforms (dual channel RAM, 24 PCIe lanes) are not designed to run a NLE with GPU, M.2 SSDs, I/O, additional 10Gb network adapter. You will face lane sharing and performance issues.
    I thought about building the workstation with Ryzen 3950X, but Threadripper has just been 900 € more.

    HEDT:
    This plattform is related to the server plattform. The CPU and chipsets are quite similar, with some limitations to HEDT.
    HEDT would be Cascade Lake(-X/-W) or Threadripper and server Xeon or EPYC. Overall you can say that you get more performance for the same money on Threadripper/EPYC.

    No Threadripper mainboard offers U.2 (M.2 with cable), which is unpleasent because M.2 SSDs are only available up to 2 TB (some 4TB) and U.2 SSDs offer 8 or 15 TB with the price still "okay" (before Corona). And you "only" get a quad channel interface on Threadripper. But compared with Intel you get the newer plattform (PCIe 4.0, DDR4-3200, more efficient).
    If you want to build a Intel based custom workstation, go for Cascade Lake-X (i9-109aa0X). You get a 18C for 1000€ net. Probably not the fastest, but solid. The price should be between 3950X and 3960X.

    So far I haven't noticed any problem with Avid.
    Just a few issues to get everything running. BIOS update to have all 24 core was the easy part - except I had to disconnect all SATA drives to find a bootable drive after the update. And newly installed Avid, even with new projects/profiles, crashing on dual monitor setup has been tough. Thanks to the communiy I could solve it (Asus audio driver comes with Sonic that caused it --> uninstall --> let Windows update install the driver).

    But here is the big BUT:
    You will have to setup everything and take care about everything by yourself. So you should have some experience with it or get help from someone who has.
    The web and this forum will/can help, but you cannot say: Avid/retailer/Dell/HP, get the *** system working!

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