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  • Wed, Jun 5 2019 2:29 AM In reply to

    Re: Mac Pro 2019 and Avid Media Composer

    Yes Quick Sync only applies to Intel i3/i5/i7 computers. For recent Macs using Xeon, it is likely AMD’s VCE. It makes sense because iMac Pros H26x performance I have seen is not as high as you expect compared to i-CPU based Macs or at least it should better considering the CPU and GPU are superior. VCE is not quite as mature as QS. 

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  • Fri, Jun 7 2019 2:29 PM In reply to

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    Re: Mac Pro 2019 and Avid Media Composer

    @Everyone: going back to Afterburner...

    Dom Q. Silverio:
    And Afterburner seems to be strictly ProRes RAW and not ProRes proxy, LT, 422 or HQ. So I doubt there will be any support for DNxHR or R3D or BM RAW or any other 3rd party codec.

    Doing a Find for "Afterburner" at https://www.apple.com/mac-pro/, you'd read:

    Afterburner is a hardware accelerator card built with an FPGA, or programmable ASIC.

    Reading up on FPGA's, or Field-Programmable Gate Array's:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field-programmable_gate_array

    This is the opening sentence:

    A field-programmable gate array (FPGA) is an integrated circuit designed to be configured by a customer or a designer after manufacturing – hence the term "field-programmable".

    So Afterburner may have been designed to be "reprogrammed" for specific footage workflows.

    If you do a Find for "Afterburner" on Peter Wiggins' WWDC coverage at fcp.co:

    http://www.fcp.co/final-cut-pro/news/2185-day-two-from-wwdc-2019-more-mac-pro-and-pro-display-xdr-news

    You'll see what RED might be working on.

    This is all speculative, but, yeah, Afterburner won't provide any proxy benefits because... it's designed to eliminate proxy workflows with ProRes RAW.

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  • Fri, Jun 7 2019 3:08 PM In reply to

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    It would be wonderful if Apple or a 3rd party can and would reprogram Afterburner to expand or modify its usability.

    FPGA is nothing new. Avid, BM, AJA, and etc. all have used/using it for their products. All touted it, claiming that they can add new features. The reality though is most updates are bug squashing related. And those few features that have been added or modified were minor.  I am pessimistic that Apple would allow competing products (BM Raw, R3D and DNx) would be allowed in Afterburner and 3rd party are willing to allocate financial and engineering time to the hardware they don't profit from (unless they sell the Afterburner "app" to end user?).

    I wonder why Apple didn't just use GPU like R3D is doing?

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  • Fri, Jun 7 2019 3:46 PM In reply to

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    Re: Mac Pro 2019 and Avid Media Composer

    Dom Q. Silverio:

    I am pessimistic that Apple would allow competing products (BM Raw, R3D and DNx) would be allowed in Afterburner and 3rd party are willing to allocate financial and engineering time to the hardware they don't profit from (unless they sell the Afterburner "app" to end user?).

    Hear it straight from the source. Here's Craig Federighi and Greg Joswiak talking about Afterburner, and its possibilities, with John Gruber on The Talk Show Live from WWDC:

    Video (Jumps to 13:52, watch through 15:40): https://youtu.be/5ygYSdL42Zw?t=832

    Dom Q. Silverio:
    I wonder why Apple didn't just use GPU like R3D is doing?

    Add that to RED's comments here:

    https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2019/06/pro-app-developers-react-to-the-new-mac-pro-and-pro-display-xdr/

    Red Digital Cinema

    “Apple’s new hardware will bring a mind-blowing level of performance to Metal-accelerated, proxy-free R3D workflows in Final Cut Pro X that editors truly have never seen before. We are very excited to bring a Metal-optimized version of R3D in September.” — Jarred Land, president, Red Digital Cinema

    You can see where this could go / is going.

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  • Fri, Jun 7 2019 4:06 PM In reply to

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    Isaac T.:
    You can see where this could go / is going.

     

    I saw those comments. Do note that "Metal-optimized" means he is referring to GPU bound tasks and not Afterburner.

    "Metal is a C++ based programming language that developers can use to write code that is executed on the GPU for graphics and general-purpose data-parallel computations." (from Wiki)

    This is no different from what R3D has been doing with their SDK. They recently demo'd 8K RAW with NVidia hardware.

    https://www.red.com/workflow/nvidia

    Since CUDA and DirectX are not available on Mojave and newer, Metal is really your best option at that point.

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  • Fri, Jun 7 2019 5:09 PM In reply to

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    Re: Mac Pro 2019 and Avid Media Composer

    Dom Q. Silverio:
    Do note that "Metal-optimized" means he is referring to GPU bound tasks and not Afterburner.

    Not necessarily. Pre-Afterburner, programmers could use OpenCL to talk to certain FPGA's:

    • https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/software/programmable/sdk-for-opencl/overview.html

    • https://www.anandtech.com/show/7334/a-look-at-alteras-opencl-sdk-for-fpgas

    Since Metal replaces OpenCL / CUDA in macOS, when a third-party says their offering will be "Metal-accelerated", it's not hard to make that connection with Afterburner. And when RED says, "Metal-accelerated, proxy-free R3D workflows" that gap narrows.

    And yes, that's for Final Cut Pro X today. But the (extreme) optimist in me says Media Composer, with it's freshly-minted rewrite, could be poised to take advantage of Afterburner too.

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  • Fri, Jun 7 2019 5:19 PM In reply to

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    Yes, it would be interesting if Afterburner functionalities can be accessed via Metal. But I'm not a computer programmer, just my pedestrian musings. And that website is low on specifics. Many of the quotes are about Mac Pro in general and AB is not specifically mentioned except by BM.

     

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  • Sat, Jun 8 2019 7:05 PM In reply to

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    Re: Mac Pro 2019 and Avid Media Composer

    Welp, here’s OTOY confirming plans to use Afterburner for offloading rendering in Octane X:

    https://twitter.com/isaactdotco/status/1137058007014150145?s=20

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