A couple of hours ago I downloaded full of expectation the latest version (2012.12) of Media Composer for Mac.
After reading the release notes my hope for this new version sunk away faster than the Titanic back in 1912. Reason; the Mac OS that I am using is not qualified anymore.
I do not understand that Windows 7, who has been released on July 27, 2009 still is qualified. And that Mac OS 10.11.6 El Capitan, released on September 30, 2015 is not. Upgrading my OS is not possible anymore with my Mac Pro from early 2009.
For me this machine is still good enough for the things I do, but I also like to use the latest features that Avid releases. What will happen if I nevertheless install this new version? If this is possible of course. Is it going to perform less than on a qualified OS?
Thanks in advanced for your answers.
Happy New Year to you all! Looks that the new year already is going to demand a new workstation. Cheers!
Friendly greetings,
Ivan
CineMatica
The new features have just tested the older macOS and our testing did not perform favorably. As well as some computers on the mac side were also removed due to performance issues as well.
Sorry but rather have you know than stumble along with a non-performing system.
Marianna
marianna.montague@avid.com
Thanks for your very quick answer Marianna!
Then I guess, I better put a new workstation on my list for 2019.
Happy New Year to you and your family. And thanks for the great suport you have been giving us in 2018.
Greetings,
You bet - but you can always try it anyway :) Since when do peeps actually follow the rules HEEHEEEE
CinéMatica: A couple of hours ago I downloaded full of expectation the latest version (2012.12) of Media Composer for Mac. After reading the release notes my hope for this new version sunk away faster than the Titanic back in 1912. Reason; the Mac OS that I am using is not qualified anymore. I do not understand that Windows 7, who has been released on July 27, 2009 still is qualified. And that Mac OS 10.11.6 El Capitan, released on September 30, 2015 is not. Upgrading my OS is not possible anymore with my Mac Pro from early 2009. For me this machine is still good enough for the things I do, but I also like to use the latest features that Avid releases. What will happen if I nevertheless install this new version? If this is possible of course. Is it going to perform less than on a qualified OS? Thanks in advanced for your answers. Happy New Year to you all! Looks that the new year already is going to demand a new workstation. Cheers! Friendly greetings, Ivan
Hi, I'm having trouble understanding what the issue is. I installed Mojave 10.14.2 before uninstalling 2018.11 and installing 2018.12 and everything is fine on my end. In fact, I saw your post after I installed the new Mojave and I freaked!
Andrew,
The problem is that I cannot upgrade my OS anymore. Apple decided that El Capitan is the final stage for a Mac Pro 4.1 (early 2009).
The installer works but I didn't install it yet because I am in the middle of a project right now. After this is finished I will give it a try to see how it performs and how stable it is. I am not into 4K at this moment, so maybe that will give me some breathing room.
The Mac Pro I own is 10 years old. It originally housed Final Cut Studio, then Adobe Production Premium CS6 and since 2014 the old and trusty Avid. So I guess after a decade it probably is time to move on.
CineMatica,
While it probably isn't what Apple would like you to do, you can flash the firmware on your 4,1 machine and make it into a 5,1 machine. At that point your can install High Sierra. I've done it, and it works well in my case. Of course I also upgraded my processors at the same time. Search eBay for vendors who will do it. I'm running 12.13.6 and Avid MC 2018.12. You can do a Google search for the Mac Pro firmware updater. It's not hard to find. Squeeze another year or two out of that old trusty beast.
Chris
CinéMatica: Andrew, The problem is that I cannot upgrade my OS anymore. Apple decided that El Capitan is the final stage for a Mac Pro 4.1 (early 2009). The installer works but I didn't install it yet because I am in the middle of a project right now. After this is finished I will give it a try to see how it performs and how stable it is. I am not into 4K at this moment, so maybe that will give me some breathing room. The Mac Pro I own is 10 years old. It originally housed Final Cut Studio, then Adobe Production Premium CS6 and since 2014 the old and trusty Avid. So I guess after a decade it probably is time to move on.
OK, got it. Yeah, a couple of years ago this month I had to get a new iMac after nine years with my previous iMac and Snow Leopard for six years.
Thanks Chris,
I will check out what you are proposing.
@CinéMatica:
CinéMatica: For me this machine is still good enough for the things I do, but I also like to use the latest features that Avid releases.
For me this machine is still good enough for the things I do, but I also like to use the latest features that Avid releases.
It's also possible to install a newer version of macOS on your 2009 Mac Pro with this reputable macOS patcher:
http://dosdude1.com/software.html
I know he calls himself "dosdude", but it works.
Includes step-by-step instructions with notes on known issues. Worth a go if you need to stay afloat with your current hardware.
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Isaac T.: It's also possible to install a newer version of macOS on your 2009 Mac Pro with this reputable macOS patcher: http://dosdude1.com/software.html I know he calls himself "dosdude", but it works. Includes step-by-step instructions with notes on known issues. Worth a go if you need to stay afloat with your current hardware.
Wow, I didn't know that something like this existed! I will definitely give it a try after I finished my current project.
Thank you very much Isaac!
Marianna,
So a 2012 5,1 Mac Pro with dual 3.46 hexacore processors, 64 gigs of ram and an Nvidia 980 graphics card High Sierra or Mojave will not work with Media Composer 2018.12?
Check out the Group "MacProUpgrade" on Facebook. They are all about getting classic Mac Pros upgraded and working with the latest OS.
I have a 4.1, that I have flashed to a 5.1 (pretty easy to do) and with a 5.1 you can "legally"without any cracks etc. go up to Mojave.
BUT I'd recommend not going higher than Yosemite with the old MacPros, because later Versions of OSX are horribly slow with MC (I'm running a maxed out 12core 3.46 / 64GB Ram / Radeon RX580)
Right now my 4.1 is running Mojave with MC 2018.11 but I'm barely ever using it, because of the slow performance. My main System is a 6.1 Trashcan with MC 2018.11 on Mojave, also poor performance...
An iMac (i7) performs better than the Trashcan Mac Pro. Just for those who are wondering what Apple system they should get.
Wait up for the new Mac Pro and hope it won't cost a fortune, that's what I do...
You can also check out http://www.pindelski.com/MacProTurbo/
I used this service to upgrade the processors, max out the RAM and get the fastest video card.
I also learned from this site how to put in an SSD boot drive and update the internal drive speeds as well as add USB 3 speed to external drive to maximize storage and be able to playback 4k footage.
Check it out.
MSPX: Check out the Group "MacProUpgrade" on Facebook. They are all about getting classic Mac Pros upgraded and working with the latest OS. I have a 4.1, that I have flashed to a 5.1 (pretty easy to do) and with a 5.1 you can "legally"without any cracks etc. go up to Mojave. BUT I'd recommend not going higher than Yosemite with the old MacPros, because later Versions of OSX are horribly slow with MC (I'm running a maxed out 12core 3.46 / 64GB Ram / Radeon RX580) Right now my 4.1 is running Mojave with MC 2018.11 but I'm barely ever using it, because of the slow performance. My main System is a 6.1 Trashcan with MC 2018.11 on Mojave, also poor performance... An iMac (i7) performs better than the Trashcan Mac Pro. Just for those who are wondering what Apple system they should get. Wait up for the new Mac Pro and hope it won't cost a fortune, that's what I do...
Dennis : Marianna, So a 2012 5,1 Mac Pro with dual 3.46 hexacore processors, 64 gigs of ram and an Nvidia 980 graphics card High Sierra or Mojave will not work with Media Composer 2018.12?
It may work but it won't be certified as behaving as expected.
On the windows side OS updates are futher apart (windows 7 then windows 10) and the updates "tend" to less dramatic. Where as the Mac OS updates come thick and fast and often make radical changes.
So retaining compatability across such a wide range of various OS configurations is a tall order.
And lets be honest its a core Apple stratagy to upgrade their own OS so you need to upgrade the hardware.
As marianna said many ignore the supported systems matrix and just try it anyway and depending on what you need it may work fine for you. If there is an issue you may even find others who have had it and discovered a workaround.
It just makes finding solutions harder as you are part of a smaller pool of users.
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