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  • Thu, Jan 15 2015 1:05 AM

    • Vincent
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    Can MC8 mark shot changes in a clip?

    I remember using a feature years ago that would put locators on shot changes when ingesting DV tape material.  This is in the DV/HDV Options menu in the Capture Settings.... However, today I rarely see HDV tape.  I also ingest most my material using Capture Manager and AirSpeeds.  

    Can anything be done as material is ingesting to mark shot changes? Can it be done to an existing clip already captured?

    My work flow now is to scroll through these clips on a timeline and put an "add edit" on each shot change.  This is very time consuming.  I do this so I can rearrange the specific shots into a different order.

    Thoughts?

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  • Thu, Jan 15 2015 7:23 AM In reply to

    • Mondo
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    Re: Can MC8 mark shot changes in a clip?

    Vincent:

    I remember using a feature years ago that would put locators on shot changes when ingesting DV tape material.  This is in the DV/HDV Options menu in the Capture Settings.... However, today I rarely see HDV tape.  I also ingest most my material using Capture Manager and AirSpeeds.  

    Can anything be done as material is ingesting to mark shot changes? Can it be done to an existing clip already captured?

    My work flow now is to scroll through these clips on a timeline and put an "add edit" on each shot change.  This is very time consuming.  I do this so I can rearrange the specific shots into a different order.

    Thoughts?

    A shot change on DV tape marked a stop and start of record generally - that's how the feature worked and there was  flag inserted in the DV stream. It isn't a problem for most users these days as new clips are created when a camera starts and stops so you get a brand new clip anyway. This would also work if you were editing to DV tape (machine to machine). I can't recall if it would work if you were just laying off a master.. I don't think so.

    The only way to flag shot changes in an existing master edit (ie if your cutting stuff that exists as say a master quicktime or mp4 that already has edits in it) is to either do it manually or you must have access to an EDL/AAF/OMF  

    If you are doing this to grade each individual shot, the question is do you have access to an EDL or AAF of the original cut? If you do you can use this method to auto-notch in Avid.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCYSV_SA65M

    The only other method I could think of was to ingest the master clip into After Effects first and use a plug in like Magnum - the edit detector to split it up then export back out the individual clips.

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    John

    Can we go back to the way audio nodes used to be selected? Please? ie if you have audio nodes at the same time on selected tracks; then selecting 1 audio node selects them all at that time. Having to shift select nodes or add an in and out is time consuming and counter productive. At least make it an option.

  • Thu, Jan 15 2015 8:19 AM In reply to

    • TrevorA
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    Re: Can MC8 mark shot changes in a clip?

    There are various third party apps that will 'scene detect' and give you an EDL or aaf that can the be used to 'notch' the master clip within an avid sequence.

    I've found Resolve light does a good job.

    The steps are:

    In resolve media page -

    1 find clip on drive -

    2 right click and 'scene detect' and 'start'

    3 refine detection manually as necessary

    4 'add clips to media pool'

    5 switch to edit page

    6 create new timeline min timeline panel

    7 switch to media pool panel, select all clips and 'F9' to insert to timeline

    8 (here sometimes I have to wait a while if there are a lot of clips)

    9 export resulting timeline as aaf, switch to Avid

    In Avid:

    10 import aaf

    11 put original clip on V2 of Aaf

    12 step thru offline edits on V1 to check that cuts match v2 content scene changes

    13 add pan & scan effect to v2.

    14 subdivide p&s effect using v1

    15 remove all resulting p&s effects - leaving add edits

    16 tidy up by moving all to v1 and deleting v2

    Voila- a notched master. And yes I would like avid to do this- long standing feature request.

     

     

     

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  • Fri, Jan 16 2015 2:26 AM In reply to

    • Mondo
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    Re: Can MC8 mark shot changes in a clip?

    TrevorA:

    There are various third party apps that will 'scene detect' and give you an EDL or aaf that can the be used to 'notch' the master clip within an avid sequence.

    I've found Resolve light does a good job.

    The steps are:

    In resolve media page -

    1 find clip on drive -

    2 right click and 'scene detect' and 'start'

    3 refine detection manually as necessary

    4 'add clips to media pool'

    5 switch to edit page

    6 create new timeline min timeline panel

    7 switch to media pool panel, select all clips and 'F9' to insert to timeline

    8 (here sometimes I have to wait a while if there are a lot of clips)

    9 export resulting timeline as aaf, switch to Avid

    In Avid:

    10 import aaf

    11 put original clip on V2 of Aaf

    12 step thru offline edits on V1 to check that cuts match v2 content scene changes

    13 add pan & scan effect to v2.

    14 subdivide p&s effect using v1

    15 remove all resulting p&s effects - leaving add edits

    16 tidy up by moving all to v1 and deleting v2

    Voila- a notched master. And yes I would like avid to do this- long standing feature request.

    Nice Trevor - never thought of using Resolve. Ideally though you want access to the original cutlist either as an EDL or AAF then you never have to leave Avid

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    John

    Can we go back to the way audio nodes used to be selected? Please? ie if you have audio nodes at the same time on selected tracks; then selecting 1 audio node selects them all at that time. Having to shift select nodes or add an in and out is time consuming and counter productive. At least make it an option.

  • Fri, Jan 16 2015 1:41 PM In reply to

    • Vincent
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    Re: Can MC8 mark shot changes in a clip?

    Thanks. I will definitely be giving Resolve a try. I'm usually capturing satellite feeds, so very rarely have access to a timeline. Cheers. 

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  • Fri, Jan 16 2015 3:06 PM In reply to

    Re: Can MC8 mark shot changes in a clip?

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