Rinze Schuurman:Unless they change that policy and start telling us what they are develloping the next 12 months
Rinze Schuurman:Maybe something the new board of customers (forgot the marketing name) can play a role in?
"... they are now much less restricted by Sarbanes-Oxley ..."
You'll see many software companies switching to a Subscrition model. For most, if not all, this is due to Sarbanes-Oxley. Under SOX, these companies faced financial and legal penalties if a projected feature was not released within the same Quarter. This was manfested to users as a tight-lipped Avid. Under Subscription, Avid and others will have more flexability in discussing their roadmap. Subscription was not just a choice Avid made, but almost made mandatory by SOX.
Also, my understanding is that software engineering can now release more frequent patch/bug/update releases.
"There are few technological barriers. You can fix almost anything if you throw enough money at it."*******************************Randall L. Rike, ACI, ACSR Mac*Win*Unity*ISIS*DSSystems Engineer @ BET Networks [a Viacom company](wwld)
Randall L Rike:Also, my understanding is that software engineering can now release more frequent patch/bug/update releases
This is certainly the case with the Adobe Creative Cloud subscription model. There is a regular stream of bug fixes and update patches every couple of months.
gumbaedit:After reading the FAQ, it looks like, as an mc 7 owner with a dongle, I'll need to purchase a support contract at $299 before the end of the year and that will allow me to keep my dongle and continue to reciveve upgrades every year there after for $299.
I opted to skip the MC6 and 6.5 updates because it meant that I lost access to BCC, which was necessary for several projects in hand. I finally went to MC7 when those projects were well and truly put to bed. In the past I have also chosen to skip upgrades that really did nothing for me.
So now to remain an Avid "owner" (the quotes are intentional) I am required to pay in advance for an upgrade program that I may or may not use? At the moment I have a Lightworks license. It has cost me $79.99 for an annual subscription, including all upgrades. I can opt also to buy it outright, at which time should I choose to upgrade I will need to pay an upgrade fee that is still less than Avid's "support program". I don't pay for upgrades that I don't need. And as an editing tool it is arguably superior to Media Composer. It's definitely a great deal faster.
So tell me why you deserve my $299, Avid? I would truly like to know. Because to tell me that if I choose not to take part in your upgrade program I will need to repurchase MC at full price should I need a subsequent upgrade just looks like an invitation to piracy.
Because I am a dongle user, does that full price purchase also mean that I would need to spend an additional $500 to continue using dongle licencing? Again, I would truly like to know.
At the moment it's looking more and more to me as if it's time to say "nice knowing you, Avid". I have access to three other NLEs, so I don't really need Media Composer. It has been my editor of choice for long years now, but the reasons to keep using it are less and less pressing except for archived projects that need revisiting. And I can always service that need by just remaining at the status quo.
Most of the year I work on various projects at a post house or an office using MC. I own a copy of MC with Symphony, and once or twice a year I use it to do a side project. I love MC, and bought it as soon as I could justify doing so many years ago so I could say goodbye to FCP 6 (I hated that software).
Often it's a tough sell to use MC on a project as many independent types want you to work on Premiere or even legacy FCP for whatever reason. I don't know if it is worth it to me to maintain my perpetual license at $300 a year just to do those projects. That's basically 4 months of subscription pricing (which I would have just barely gotten my money's worth on in the last year). But then when I consider Premiere (which I have never used) is only $30/month, or $50 with After Effects and everything else they make, it makes Avid an even tougher sell to an independent producer/director. At that point I may as well try to sell them on Lightworks.
Then there are the personal projects that I would just fire up MC to do. I'm certainly not going to spend $75 just to cut together something for myself, that's just silly.
I feel stabbed in the back by Avid. I invested quite a bit of money into owning their software, however I don't NEED it enough to justify the cost EVERY year, but the subscription pricing is substantial enough to keep me from using it as often as I would like. I guess I'm just not the type of customer they want to have.
jray:Then there are the personal projects that I would just fire up MC to do. I'm certainly not going to spend $75 just to cut together something for myself, that's just silly.
jwrl:So tell me why you deserve my $299, Avid?
So, let's see if I read this correctly.
For $299.00 (€217.00??) a year I enter into a contract with Avid. They are not only required to provide me with software updates (upgrades ?) for 12 months, but also are required to provide me with qualified telephone support - 1 call per month.
Now the question is; what happens to me when I call support and the support person hears that I am using MC on my super duper home built rig????
Is the support part of the contract then invalid due to the fact that I am not using an Avid certified rig?
Gerry
There is no mention of Avid DVD in the documents or Forum threads that I can see. Does anyone know what is happening to that?
It may also be too early to tell since the software is not being updated yet, but will the Avid FX that i currently own with MC7 work on MC8? That would make a substatial difference to the amount I have to invest.
David Clarke:There is no mention of Avid DVD in the documents or Forum threads that I can see. Does anyone know what is happening to that?
David Clarke:will the Avid FX that i currently own with MC7 work on MC8?
David Clarke: Does anyone know what is happening to that?
I don't
David Clarke:the software is not being updated yet
"Yet"? The source for Avid DVD, Sonic DVDitPro HD, was EOL'd 2 years ago and at the end of 2013 all support for it was terminated.
For this reason many people have moved or are moving on.
Myself, I went with Pegasys TMPGEnc Authoring Works.
Apart from that application I believe that the only other reasonably priced solution, which is still being updated, is Sony Architect.
If you don't already have either Adobe Premiere or an Adobe Suite - then you will have to pay quite a lot to get the Adobe Encore solution. I hear that even Encore is being shelved now.
Regards
Douglas
marianna.montague@avid.com
There is mention indeed: Avid DVD won't be further developed nor sold.
peace luca
luca.mg: There is mention indeed: Avid DVD won't be further developed nor sold.
So it has taken Avid almost 2 years to realise that, about further development of Avid DVD.
From what I've read about all these changes, Avid seems to be taking a sane, well-reasoned approach to the difficulties it faces as the industry changes. We all need to deal with the realities we all face with wisdom too. Avid will continue to be a very wise choice for many editors, but certainly not for everyone. Everyone has their own unique problems, as well as problems common to our industry as a whole. I certainly couldn't have cooked up a better solution if I were in Avid's shoes.
And even longer for user reaction...
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