I think editors adapt their workflows. As you can see we still have solit screens in every TV shows. But the fact is that is was simple, and now it is boring.

This forum is called "new feature request", so we ask for what we want.

We are the users. Except you Douglas, no one like this feature. So this is our new feature request : we just ask for a new setting, to let us choose to have or not automatic KF.

Regards

French_Editor:

Except you Douglas

Thank you. I am glad to hear that I am still an original and unique person who does not follow the masses!

Regards

Douglas

Essentially, dear Douglas, you are saying "Don't cry. Do what i do, use other programs.", right?

But to point out my view of things:

drbgaijin:

I wonder why after the year or so that has gone by since the changes were made - why haven't folks learned to adapt their workflows to suit it?

First of all to me this seems to be a strong indicator not for stubbornness, but that this is a major issue and a hint that maybe Avid is NOT listening.

And the only way to adapt to this crappy new interface behaviour is to look twice or more where things simply worked before: "Has it set a keyframe? No! It should have. - Yes! But it shouldn't!" It's trapping you time and again, costs nervs and time and concentration on editing. The fx interface is a core function of MC.

For simple effects like a resize i have not started the Avid FX-interface while i have completed the effect with avx-resize, not to talk about rendering. (I often have people sitting beside me. And even when i have not, i prefer the less time consuming solution.)

And, once i got in gear: Since MC 6 the programmers are apparently overstrained to write a code which works with german umlauts (back to the eighties), make TC- and audio-mixer stay on top, hinder scroll bars from appearing in the capture tool aso. This stuff is annoying me 8 to 10 times per hour. I can easily adapt to that: I mapped audio- and tc-tool to the keyboard, so i hit SHIFT-A or SHIFT-T maybe 5 times an hour, 40 times a day, 200 times a week, 800 times per month - what for, please? I have other things to do!
When i say "Open Bin" it opens anywhere in the background. When i hit CTRL+N for "New Tape" it now makes a new bin. I keep shuffling around bins and search for them (in a grey-in-grey interface with tiny fonts) since superbin was abolished.
And the fx editor is one more and a major item on this list that makes my MC-days harder and harder since years now.
All together hundreds of useless mouseclicks, keystrokes and traps every month.

And all this has been working before! Call it BASIC functions. They should be granted. I need my time and concentration for editing.

I find that MC is getting worse in terms of usability and everyday workflow since years now, and since i am not as stubborn as you might think I am constantly looking out for 3rd party solutions, and I notice the gap is shrinking constantly. Mainly because MC is losing it's core competence for me: It's incredibly fast and stable interface once you know how to use it. In most other fields other solutions are at least up to MC since a long time, from my point of view.

Sorry. Back to the topic:
If you have the time for all this, fine. But, imagine Avid FX would take a greatleap back in usability and become faulty in the next version. Would you accept "Try to adapt. And also there are other solutions out there." as a sufficient answer to your complaint?

Kind regards, daapap

 

daapap:

Essentially, dear Douglas, you are saying "Don't cry. Do what i do, use other programs.", right?

Sorry, but, "No"

I said that I never used the functions you now miss. Therefore I never missed them when the changes were implemented. I also said I was surprised that many editors seem unwilling to accept that the keyframing has changed. Rather than try and adapt and find alternative ways - some of them are saying they cannot work with them as they are.  They have been like that for about 2 years now (?) Standing still and waiting does not seem to be a very productive reaction to the changes.
I have never, I hope, suggested that things should not be pointed out and brought to the attention of Avid's engineers and designers.

daapap:

But, imagine Avid FX would take a greatleap back in usability and become faulty in the next version. Would you accept "Try to adapt. And also there are other solutions out there." as a sufficient answer to your complaint?

Over the years I have seen how the team at BorisFX have listened to and act on suggestions coming from users of their products.
Over the years I have also seen how the team at Avid have completely ignored cries from their user base and gone ahead with unwanted changes, sometimes with "Bear with us....."  "Wait and see . . . . " as the only motive given.

Therefore, over the years I have gradually been more and more trusting in how the team at Boris continue to develop Boris applications in the future  and less and less in how the team at Avid are developing Avid applications.

I still firmly believe in the core functions in MC . . . . . and will continue to use it in the future . . . . .  hoping that the team at Avid can begin to listen more seriously to the complaints of many editors out there . . . . but, their track record doesn't seem to be pointing to that possibility

Regards,
Douglas

 

PS. If, perish the thought, Boris did come out with a version of AvidFX (Boris Red) that broke all the rules and changed things so that I found I could not work with it. YES, I would look elsewhere - or try and adapt

 

 

The fact is that we can edit with automatic KF, but it was better before.

You know what, if tomorow I loose my hand or an eye, of course I will adapt the way I live. But if someone can give it me back, I'll ask him to to something for me.

So please Avid, we can manage with this new FX UI, we can always manage, but that was better before. 

I don't understand why they are not listening to us. This is a no sense. 

I was hoping there was a way to disable this. It also screws me up almost on every project having jumped from MC 4 to 7 recently. The biggest mystery here is I'm deep in an edit right now trying to adjust 2 logos. "magically" they move even without keyframes! It's one thing for it to auto place them as at least I can delete those I don't want, but I don't even have any keyframes yet the gfx are still moving from my adjusting.

any ideas? any workarounds?

 

 

Currently, the only workaround I know of, is to close out of Media Composer and open Adobe Premiere.  Hopefully Avid will fix this brain-dead garbage with the features promised in MC8.x

There is no getting used to the new keyframes. They're terrible, and will always be terrible. I dare say whoever added them at Avid never, ever worked as an editor.

bamboozler:

I was hoping there was a way to disable this. It also screws me up almost on every project having jumped from MC 4 to 7 recently

I feel your pain.  Version 4 had the perfect method of effects keyframing - a choice between "simple" and advanced keyframes.  I have ranted countless times on these forums about this, and other changes that surfaced in V5. I agree with the post in this thread, which "dared" to say that whomever delevloped these changes was never an editor - especially a high volume editor.

lol! My solution EXACTLY!

 

Thanks guys-although this is a nasty thing I'm happy to see I'm not alone in this.

I've been cutting on Avid full time since 1999 but this is that obnoxious I'm seriously close to dumping it for Adobe.

Just one question : still not any Setting about automatic KF in V8??