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  • Wed, May 2 2012 12:25 PM

    • ZFigas
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    Export Audio.

    Hello,

    I crossgraded from MC6 to MS6.

    Until now (MC6 and earlier) I exported my sequences as QTR, QT or WMV as Stereo to Sonic (Avid DVD).

    I play it on my flagship Denon A/V as Dolby Surround ProLogic II - input Stereo, output Dolby Surround ProLogic II.

    Play all speakers.

    Now, after upgrade to Symphony I do exactly same but play only two front speakers.

    Where lie reason ? I tried everything but without success.

    If I add for example .wav from CD directly to Sonic and burn Blu Ray, everything is OK.

    Regards

    Zb.

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  • Thu, May 3 2012 4:57 AM In reply to

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    Re: Export Audio II.

    In my opinion this is critical bug because exported .wav is not standard. I tried to send  .wav to Sonic via Sorenson but result is same.

    Similar situation was in MC 5.5 in QTR but QT worked correct, in MC 6 was OK but in MS6 is bug again. Probably .wav file have bad header. I am sorry but I am not specialist.

    ZF

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  • Thu, May 3 2012 12:00 PM In reply to

    Re: Export Audio.

    The unfolding of a 2-track (stereo or LtRt) mix to multichannel surround (4-channel or 5.1 or more) is happening in your Denon amplifier/receiver. There's no way that your Avid upgrade by itself has anyting to do with that unfolding.

    If the sound is coming from the L and R speakers directly, you are bypassing the Dolby ProLogic matrix somehow, and there's nothing that any WAV can do about that.

    And if the sound is coming only through the FRONT CENTER speaker (not the FL and FR speakers), then you have (accidentally) exported your mix as mono. That would result in no phase difference between the L and R parts of the track, and that would mean that the Dolby matrix would route ALL of the sounds to the center (as it would all consider them centered mono).

    Again, your Symphony upgrade by itself has nothing to do with it, and I can guarantee that Symphony 6 is perfectly capable of exporting stereo WAVs. As a matter of fact, I am monitoring the stereo out of my Symphony through a Denon AV7100 in DPL mode as I type, and I get the exact same results as under v5.

    But you should definitely check out the pannings on your mixes, and determine if there's actually stereo information left in there. Also double check the default panning settings (under Audio Settings).

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  • Thu, May 3 2012 1:02 PM In reply to

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    Re: Export Audio.

    Hi,

    Thanks for your interesting.

    You right - stereo after Dolby Prologic II gave voice in all speakers.

    But I have the following situation (after export from MS6) my Denon see two speakers on input (on display) and five speakers on output but play only two.

    And it is outside my inteligence.

    I didn't change nothing in my Denon A/V, nothing.

    I will try explain one more time.

    1. I have old .gi files. Many films. I received it in MC6 as export QTR and next I transcoded in Avid DVD.

    After burning on Blu Ray all speakers play. I work same during last 7 years.

    2. I export now in MS6 same way, same sequence, I transcoding and burn in Avid DVD and play only front speakers.

    3. Next experience - I change in this same sequence in Avid DVD .wav and I add music from CD and everything is OK.

    I am sending you by mail link to .mov file received from MS6.

    It is big file and it will be on Dropbox after one hour.

    Thank you for your patience.

    Regards

    Zb.

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  • Thu, May 3 2012 2:42 PM In reply to

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    Re: Export Audio.

    Hi Job,

    I made better experience. In first post I informed that bug appear in WMV, too.

    I burn on Blu Ray .wmv (exported earlier in MC6) and same sequence in MS6. Both as stereo.

    According what I signalize earlier Dolby ProLogic II don't accepted voice from MS6. Play only front speakers.

    If anyone want files please let me know. Nice clip.

    Regards

    Zb.

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  • Fri, May 4 2012 8:53 AM In reply to

    Re: Export Audio.

    ZFigas, I downloaded the files and it's very simple: the export you labeled MS6 is a mono export (unlike the other export, which is stereo). The MS6 export has two tracks, but they are 100% equal, making the result mono. That's the reason that the DPLII decoder will send everything to front-center (or FL and FR if you have no center).

    Without knowing your signal path, it's hard to determine where the mono is introduced. It can be in your Avid timeline (check the Pan settings in your Audio Mixer), it can be during export (check the export settings).

    Did you export straight from MS to WMV?

    But none of this is a bug. You are just missing some setting(s) somewhere.

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  • Fri, May 4 2012 9:19 AM In reply to

    Re: Export Audio.

    Maybe your defaullt pan on the new MS6 install is set to centre rather than LR.

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  • Fri, May 4 2012 9:24 AM In reply to

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    Re: Export Audio.

    James@Seamless:

    Maybe your defaullt pan on the new MS6 install is set to centre rather than LR.

    I think that centre is the factory default if you don´t change any setting

     

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  • Fri, May 4 2012 1:39 PM In reply to

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    Re: Export Audio.

    Hello,

    You are GREAT. Congratulation.

    But it is not so simpe and I will send mail to you and after our discussion we will post conclusion to the Forum. 

    In this moment I can say that AMC6 works different than AS6.

    Regards

    Zb.

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  • Fri, May 4 2012 2:07 PM In reply to

    Re: Export Audio.

    ZFigas:
    I will send mail to you and after our discussion we will post conclusion to the Forum. 

    Sorry, but I won't do that as I much prefer to keep the discussion ON the forums. The idea behind it is that more people can read and contribute solutions.

    ZFigas:
    In this moment I can say that AMC6 works different than AS6.

    Please make screen grabs of your settings.

    I'm perfectly able to export stereo from AS the very same way as from MC (both of which are identical software by the way), so you must be missing a setting somewhere.

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  • Fri, May 4 2012 3:56 PM In reply to

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    Re: Export Audio.

     Hello,

    Thank you vor your answer.

    Please see my settings.

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3147426/AS6%20Settings.pdf

    Regards

    Zb.

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  • Fri, May 4 2012 5:25 PM In reply to

    Re: Export Audio.

    OK, now take a good look at "Default Pan" in your screen grabs. It is set to "All Tracks Centered". That means Centered, which will result in a mono mix of all elements, and this goes for all clips on all tracks _unless_ you pan them otherwise.

    Then, take a look at the Audio Mix Tool (the one with the faders), and not that the pan pots for A2, A3 and A4 are all set to MID (which is Center), also making each element of those tracks fully monaural. Then your A1 is set to R2, which means it is panned to the right channel by 2% (almost nothing).

    So exporting your mix this way, either from MC or from Symph, will result in something with no difference between left and right, and therefore your DPL decoder will not derive any stereo or surround information from that export.

    To get a stereo mix, you will need to pan the stereo elements hard left (L100) / hard right (R100). Then export.

     

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  • Fri, May 4 2012 6:52 PM In reply to

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    Re: Export Audio.

    Hello,

    I can only say - thank you.

    I am not a professional and probably something somewhere broke.

    Without further words your post solved my problem.

    Have a nice weekend.

    Zbigniew

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  • Mon, May 7 2012 2:37 PM In reply to

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    Re: Export Audio.

    ZFigas....

    Probably a good idea for you to read the Symphony 6 Editing Guide located here:

    http://avid.force.com/pkb/articles/en_US/user_guide/en426511?popup=true&NewLang=en&DocType=1082

    If only to learn the basics of the editing application so you dont run into problems as you add layers to your project.

    Marianna 

     

     

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  • Mon, May 7 2012 3:10 PM In reply to

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    Re: Export Audio.

    Hi,

    Understood the allusion.

    I reinstaled many times my MC and first time met with this problem.

    I am sorry.

    I have problem with Stabilize Region: http://screencast.com/t/mDNYqwBxVf8.

    Can you show me in manuals where lie reason ???

    Regards

    Zb.

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