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  • Tue, Feb 28 2012 2:57 AM

    • denniscasey
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    Printing Frames From MC6 Video: Feedback and Question

    Apologies if this should go in Off Topics or whatever vs this part of forum.

    Nothing new for experts in this, but might be helpful for novices (like me).  HD camcorders record amazing video but also capture great still "photos." Thanks to George A. response to my earlier "Basic Question: How to Print Photos from Freeze Frame" I learned enough to begin experimenting.  Initially was printing nice photos from video with little motion--i.e. cars on display at car shows. Then tried action shots of pelicans diving into ocean and as expected ran into jagged pictures from interlaced fields (field two "offset" from field one due to action). I am shooting 1080 i.  At this point was just parking on frame in timeline and using Export method mentioned by George A.  I first fixed jagged picture by just selecting single field in Export options.

    However, I then thought I might be able to better access more of the "data" in both fields by using Freeze Frame to "capture" photo and then Export freeze frame--and that is my question, does theory say I get more "data" for sharper photo using this method--does FF extract data from both fields?

    At current stage of experiments I can't tell for sure if I actually get better photo (experimenting on 4X6 inch photo paper to save money and first just previewing on computer screen) by using Freeze Frame and selecting various Two Field options (interpolated field seems best but also trying duplicated field and both field options) vs just using "single frame" in Export options when parked on frame in timeline? 

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  • Tue, Feb 28 2012 3:18 AM In reply to

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    Re: Printing Frames From MC6 Video: Feedback and Question

    Good sir, a 1920 x 540 (single field) pixel count image will look terrible on a glossy 4"x5" print.

     

    If you do manage to get a 1920x1080 image (from 1080p footage), it will still look terrible on a glossy 4"x5" print.

     

    If you need photos, you will greatly appreciate getting a DSLR plus a zoom lens, as it is the right tool for the job.

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  • Tue, Feb 28 2012 4:42 AM In reply to

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    Re: Printing Frames From MC6 Video: Feedback and Question

    Dennis,

    I think you'll typically see the best results from using either interpolated or both fields for export, depending upon the specific frame.  There might be some cases when one field or the other looks the best as a single-field export.  I think you'll have to judge the quality for each instance.

    Remember, too, that 1920x1080 is only a 2 megapixel image at best so it will never look as good as a still as it might seem at first.  If your camera can take a real still, it will probably be a higher resolution.  My HDV camera can take 4MP stills but it records 1080i video.  If I recall correctly, it can take up to 3 stills while it's recording video which are written to the memory card once video recording stops.  When video isn't being recorded, the still shots can be made without any limit other than the available memory card space.  If your camera has a feature like that, you'd see better results using a still shot rather than a frame of video from the same camera.

    Scott

  • Tue, Feb 28 2012 4:46 PM In reply to

    • denniscasey
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    Re: Printing Frames From MC6 Video: Feedback and Question

    Thank you both for advice as I delve more into this subject.

    Stu, I would not go as far as "terrible" as even 8X10 inch photo glossy look pretty good as long as I pick right frame and Export  and printing options.  However I am sure you are right that a dedicated still photo would be better than picking frame out of video. It does get into the area of law of diminishing returns regarding how many pixels are "enough" particularly for non-art gallery quality photos printed on home printers. 

    Scott, my Panasonic AG-HMC40 (new to me) claims 3.05 megapixel, progressive 3 MOS sensors for video and also has a "still photo" option claiming 10.6 megapixel when used in that mode. All these "megapixel" claims I am sure need to be taken with more than one grain of salt.  I am primarily interested in video, but now that I am beginning to see potential for nice photos I will explore more the "photo" options of my camera.  On my camera forum I have also been advised to shoot 720 P 60 for action shots which is an option on my camera to avoid interlace issues--my camera does have a 1080 P 30 option, but I think I start to run into compatibility issues with MC6 editing for some of the frame type/rate options I could choose?

    Thanks again to both for comments/suggestions.  Dennis

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  • Fri, Mar 2 2012 10:25 PM In reply to

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    Re: Printing Frames From MC6 Video: Feedback and Question

    Continuing experiments to get "best" still photo from video (recognizing won't be as good as DSLR still camera).  I prefer using FF versus just parking on frame in timeline since FF gives more options (as Scott pointed out can choose Interpolate Fields, Both Fields, Duplicated Fields) and that choice can make a big difference in way "photo" looks, I have also experimented with JPEG settings available in Export Options, but don't understand check boxes "Progressive" and "Baseline."  I have tried each setting as well as leaving both unchecked and I can't see a discernable difference when I preview in Windows Photo Viewer.

    Could someone explain what those settings are supposed to do and which box should be checked under which conditions?  Thank you, Dennis

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  • Fri, Mar 2 2012 10:35 PM In reply to

    Re: Printing Frames From MC6 Video: Feedback and Question

    I has to do with how the JPEG is built up. Mostly of concern when dealing with web browsers.

    http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/graphicformats/f/summary.htm says:

    • Baseline (Standard) - This JPEG format is recognized by all Web browsers.
    • Baseline Optimized - This JPEG format option provides optimized color and slightly better compression. It is supported by all modern browsers, but was not supported in the very earliest of Web browsers. It's your best choice for JPEG files today.
    • Progressive - Creates a JPEG file that displays gradually as it downloads, starting out blocky, and gradually getting clearer as it downloads. It doesn't make the image download any faster, but it can give the illusion of speed since the blocky image is loaded right away on a slow connection. With the majority of internet users on high speed connections today, Progressive JPEG is rarely used.

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  • Sat, Mar 3 2012 4:10 AM In reply to

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    Re: Printing Frames From MC6 Video: Feedback and Question

    Thank you , Job ter Burg, for informative answer.  Dennis

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  • Tue, Apr 3 2012 8:25 PM In reply to

    • Ken Lent
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    Re: Printing Frames From MC6 Video: Feedback and Question

    Job ter Burg:

    Baseline (Standard) - This JPEG format is recognized by all Web browsers.

    • Baseline Optimized - This JPEG format option provides optimized color and slightly better compression. It is supported by all modern browsers, but was not supported in the very earliest of Web browsers. It's your best choice for JPEG files today.
    • Progressive - Creates a JPEG file that displays gradually as it downloads, starting out blocky, and gradually getting clearer as it downloads. It doesn't make the image download any faster, but it can give the illusion of speed since the blocky image is loaded right away on a slow connection. With the majority of internet users on high speed connections today, Progressive JPEG is rarely used.

    Hi Job,

    The JPEG Export Options dialog only has a Quality slider (0 to 100) and two checkboxes:  Baseline and Progressive.  To get Baseline Optimized, should both boxes be unchecked, or should the Baseline box be checked?

    Ken

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