jwrl:

It has always been the case that if you buy a complete boxed set from Avid that you get BCC.  I don't think that anyone would argue with that, and that's also the current state of the matter.  It's also always been the case that a software upgrade did not include BCC as part of the package.

I feel sure that was Larry's point.

Indeed, it was. BCC was always included in the box set purchase of Media Composer, but has never been part of either a software upgrade download or a new MC purchase from the download center. Now, for the first time with MC 6, elements of the formerly "optional at additional cost" production suite are being made available to download customers as well as box set purchase customers, at no additional cost to the download customers. Whether BCC8 will be available as a download remains to be seen. And IMO, $299 for a version upgrade with a base code re-write from 32 bit to 64 bit is very reasonable.

Larry Rubin:

Now, for the first time with MC 6, elements of the formerly "optional at additional cost" production suite are being made available to download customers as well as box set purchase customers, at no additional cost to the download customers. . . . . . . . . . . . And IMO, $299 for a version upgrade with a base code re-write from 32 bit to 64 bit is very reasonable.

Larry and you others who have been saying the same as I- about the pricing - I am not complaining!

I am a mean scot. I am from a race of people reputed to be so mean that they use a fork in the sugar bowl! I think that the Avid deal is more than fair.

Regards,
Douglas

camoscato:

I don't see any reason why once we get past the 32 to 64-bit switch, you won't be able to just use BCC8 for the forseeable future until you want to upgrade it because it has some new feature you want rather than having to in order to stay current with MC.

ciao,
Carl 

I'm guessing Carl that you weren't one of the users who had MC crashing/hanging when using BCC 3D objects? - a problem that was introduced at some point during 5.x and for which Boris will only release a fix in BCC 7 - this is the reason why one might be compelled to update BCC in the future - if it were just about features rather than compatibilities then I agree - we could simply wait...

Hi Steve,

BarkinMadd:

I'm guessing Carl that you weren't one of the users who had MC crashing/hanging when using BCC 3D objects? - a problem that was introduced at some point during 5.x and for which Boris will only release a fix in BCC 7 - this is the reason why one might be compelled to update BCC in the future

That's a different argument.  In your initial point you seemed to be worried about a future where you'd have to upgrade your version of BCC in response to an upgrade to MC, much like we're all going to have to do with MC6/BCC8.  Based on how BCC and MC have worked together in the past, I think the forced concurrent BCC8 upgrade is a one time thing.

Having to upgrade because the upgrade fixed some problem and you (generic you, not you specifically) need the fix is different.  Even in that situation not everyone would be forced to upgrade if they didn't need the fix.

ciao,
Carl

p.s. I'm not familiar with the BCC 3d object crash thing, but if the only fix offered by Boris is to upgrade, and they're charging for the upgrade, that seems wrong.  I'm open to the possibility that there's more to it than that, though. 

camoscato:

 Based on how BCC and MC have worked together in the past, I think the forced concurrent BCC8 upgrade is a one time thing.

At least until 128 bit technology comes along!

Larry Rubin:

camoscato:

 Based on how BCC and MC have worked together in the past, I think the forced concurrent BCC8 upgrade is a one time thing.

At least until 128 bit technology comes along!

Dude, no speculation.

LMAO!

camoscato:

p.s. I'm not familiar with the BCC 3d object crash thing, but if the only fix offered by Boris is to upgrade, and they're charging for the upgrade, that seems wrong.  I'm open to the possibility that there's more to it than that, though. 

Hi Carl -

It's not uncommon for software vendors to require customers to upgrade to the latest and greatest (paid-for) in order to get the 'fix' for some known defect.

In fact, Avid is one of the few vendors I can think of that continues to update / patch legacy releases well into the lifetime of its latest product version. Good on ya, Avid!

I'm not too worried about BCC - as you say, we likely won't need an update to BCC after the jump to BCC 8 for subsequent MC releases. If I had any say in these things I would insist that Avid add BCC 8 to their test suite for the next couple of years (in other words, for MC 7 and MC 8, we would see BCC 8 listed as a component of a tested and validated configuration).

Cheers

Question on the mentioned update of Avid DvD by Sonic:

Is a quicktime-reference-trip from avid to sorenson, from there to Avid DvD now possible, w/o the latter having to re-encode the Video?

I only got this to work once, but even then, it wouldn't let me use h.264, although it was blu-ray specific according to sorenson. h.264 now possible?

I use Avidfx a lot so to say it has something we don't need is not true.  YOU may not need it, but I USE it.  My only concern with MC6 is that I heard no 32-bit plugins would worok, like Red Giant Looks, etc.  Since I use these plugins a lot I would not even consider upgrading to MC6 since I would not be able to use my plugins with purchasing an upgrade if one is even available.

CR8VDO:

I use Avidfx a lot so to say it has something we don't need is not true.

It's good to know that I am not the only one using Avid FX/Boris Red. :-)  The only thing I would add though for those concerned about plugins that are not compatible with a 64 bit program, is that the writing is on the wall...  64 bit is the wave of the near future and eventually everyone will have to convert, or go back to using their Comadore 64's. :-)  For those plugins that have not gone 64bit as of yet, they will surely have to make the move or risk being left behind and will become part of history.  With MC going 64bit and most of the others already being 64bit, it would seem that they will just have no choice if they want to stay in the game.  Personally, I am making the move to 64bit and not waiting on those still in the dark ages.  I'm glad that Boris did not stay in the dark ages and is providing us with a 64bit app to go along with the release of MC6.  I would have missed him. :-)

Larry Rubin:

Indeed, it was. BCC was always included in the box set purchase of Media Composer,  

I beleive BCC became part of the package with BCC3, BCC1 was a separate purchase, there was no BCC2 released.

Scott Carnegie

Please watch the tone of your posts, we have a respectful community.

Scott, Media Composer Moderator

Sweet.

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Respect has only in part to do with tone - and much more with what you DO.

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Mediagix:

Scott Carnegie

at 5:59 PM on November 10, 2011

Please watch the tone of your posts, we have a respectful community.

Scott, Media Composer Moderator

Sweet.

Feel free to air any concern, that you may have with the content of my critisims, that you would like to re-frame as a matter of tone. But only in the forum, and not as personal message ergo desperate attempt to exercise control over un-like minded.

Respect has only in part to do with tone - and much more with what you DO.

Calling a spade a spade - or a fool a fool - has to do with respect.

Respecting the cristism of costumers and other editors, likewise.

You were sent a PM because it is not polite to give warnings to people on a public board, some things are not for public consumption. Constructive criticism is welcome of course.