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  • Thu, Jun 19 2008 10:02 AM

    • SPROCKETS
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    HD 23.976 Project ( Shot film 24fps) - Audio Import Issues

    Hi All

    Just wondered if I could run this workflow past people to see what they think.

    I am helping out on a project and they recently started importing rushes on a NEW different Avid.  Currently on the new rushes the audio is currently running slightly faster than the picture, noticeable at around 2 minutes, about 3 frames fast or so.

    When I Untick the Middle Audio Import Box below and re-batch import the clip, it’s then in sync with exactly the same picture. No re-sync clip required. I presume then that I need to keep this box unticked and then re-batch import the sound rushes again

    Is the re-batch import safe to do? It worked on an original sync clip

    Is this workflow actually correct? I thought audio needs to be recorded at 30 NDF

    Is this safe then to proceed for the rest of the post workflow?

    Shooting rate:               24fps

    Sound Recording:         29.97 NDF at 48.048 khz - BWF

    Telecine:                       MOS at 23.976 to HD

    Avid Project:                1080p/23.976 (3 perf)/ 48khz

    Audio Import Settings:  All 3 boxes ticked –                   SR conversion

      SR conversion w/pull-up/pull-down ?????

       Bit Rate conversion

    Many thanks

    Paul

    Assistant Editor

    UK

     

  • Thu, Jun 19 2008 12:21 PM In reply to

    • MichaelP
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    Re: HD 23.976 Project ( Shot film 24fps) - Audio Import Issues

    The recommended practice for 24.000fps shooting on set would be to record audio at 30fps/48.048kHz for a 23.976 post. That way both get slowed down .1% to create 29.97/48kHz to be in sync with the now 23.976 picture.

    Pull up or pull down deals with the .1% issue when it sees a sample rate other than 48kHz in the header of the BWF file. See http://www.24p.com/AvidInsider2.htm for tools to deal with that if the import settings do not work for you.

    It is safe to rebatch import as you are doing.

     

    Michael

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  • Fri, Jun 20 2008 1:52 PM In reply to

    • SPROCKETS
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    Re: HD 23.976 Project ( Shot film 24fps) - Audio Import Issues

    Hi Michael

     

    Many, many thanks for that.

    So if we are proceeding and still recording sound at 29.97 NDF (not correct- we know) as per workflow above and then unticking the middle audio SR conversion w/pullup,pulldown to import; and files run in sync; and we have done HDcam playout and hd/qt at 23.976 with omf all in sync, then are we ok? Or are there further implications for our sound editors. Do we need to do a 24fps Qucktime/playout test?

    Many thanks again.

     

    Paul

    Assistant Editor

    UK

     

     

     

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