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  • Wed, Sep 18 2019 3:12 PM

    Why make Media Composer similar to Premier??

    hi all,

    Why would Avid re-design Media Composer to compete with Premier?? If they make it work the same as Premier, then people will just use Premier. Shouldn't Avid stand out from the crowd and do its own thing, and do it WELL?

    Interested to hear decent justifications for this re-design. (in my opinon, fixing solutions that never existed in the first place, but happy to be told otherwise)

    Thanks.

  • Wed, Sep 18 2019 3:31 PM In reply to

    Re: Why make Media Composer similar to Premier??

    Over the last 6 years or more I've seen a growing trend of users take up premiere as their first NLE solution.

    So moving them to MC is harder work.

    And they struggle with the differences.

    Making MC more like Premiere may or maynot help with that but I'm not sure it will cause may to pick MC as their first NLE.

    Adobe has the whole suite available and MC First just complicates things as its non compatible with MC (nobody understands that)

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  • Wed, Sep 18 2019 3:39 PM In reply to

    Re: Why make Media Composer similar to Premier??

    But the reason they pick Premier might be because it's CHEAP. It's not necessarily the better system. So it's incredibly disappointing that Avid seems to be 'dumbing down'.

    I'm not trying to open an Avid Vs Premier argument, I've seen entire shows cut on Premier. Fine.

    But it would be like BMW redesigning their cars to be more like Fords, just because people buy more Fords.

    But hey, I'd much rather Avid redesigned than went out of business. I just rather they didn't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

  • Wed, Sep 18 2019 4:26 PM In reply to

    • smrpix
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    Re: Why make Media Composer similar to Premier??

    I dunno.  My Avid still works and feels like an Avid -- except the windows are easier to rearrange and the colors are darker.

    Doesn't seem very much like Premiere to me.

  • Wed, Sep 18 2019 4:29 PM In reply to

    Re: Why make Media Composer similar to Premier??

    What version are you on?

  • Wed, Sep 18 2019 5:53 PM In reply to

    Re: Why make Media Composer similar to Premier??

    I'm confused by the premise of the question. Are you saying tabs and lockable floating windows are strictly a Premiere feature? 

    Even so, are those the defining factors that make someone decide which NLE they use? That is fairly superficial from where I stand (really sit :) ).

     

    And there were/are myriads of issues with the aging GUI. While some may be minor to a specific user or may not even experience it because of their workflow or style, collectively the MC GUI needed an overhaul cosmetically and under the hood.

    The new GUI is a good start IMHO, especially if Avid continues to refine it.

     

     

     

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  • Wed, Sep 18 2019 6:03 PM In reply to

    Re: Why make Media Composer similar to Premier??

    Hey.

    GUI is a huge part of using a program, I'm sure you agree. I love upgrades and improvements, but the latest overhaul seems so extreme and so unnecessary (removing central editing panel, removing expandable icon palette, the bin containers, workspaces that don't work with floating bins, and maybe more).

    I guess I'm just wondering why such an extreme overhaul. Seems unnecessary and perhaps a gimmick to appeal to the Premier set.

    Frustrating, but I guess that's progress!

  • Wed, Sep 18 2019 6:20 PM In reply to

    Re: Why make Media Composer similar to Premier??

    I agree that it is an important part of many applications. In Steve Jobs mind, the most important :)

    Avid's GUI has been criticized since the turn of this century for being old and dated. There are various issues that have been pointed out for years. Did you know Avid only added scroll wheel support in the mid-2000s even though the scroll wheel has been widely used since the 1990s?

    Some of these problems Avid was able to fix and some they could not. I'm sure the aging codebase made it inefficient to just keep patching or near impossible. Eventually, you need to create a modern codebase if you want to support modern features and fix existing bugs.

    Avid was smart to actually target the underpinnings and move forward.

     

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  • Wed, Sep 18 2019 7:44 PM In reply to

    Re: Why make Media Composer similar to Premier??

    smrpix:

    I dunno.  My Avid still works and feels like an Avid -- except the windows are easier to rearrange and the colors are darker.

    Doesn't seem very much like Premiere to me.

    +1

     

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  • Wed, Sep 18 2019 7:53 PM In reply to

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    Re: Why make Media Composer similar to Premier??

    jameslondon74:

    What version are you on?

     

    Was this to me?  2019.8, the latest.

     

  • Wed, Sep 18 2019 8:10 PM In reply to

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    Re: Why make Media Composer similar to Premier??

    As long as I can toggle Source/Record in the Timeline; as my project remains fast and stable no matter its complexity; and I can buy a purpetual license instead of being forced into a rental scheme, it will still be Avid to me. ;)

    Premiere has mostly benefited from three things: Adobe's aggressive marketing to the prosumer/education market, the ongoing popularity of Photoshop/After Effects, and Apple's decision to kill off the legacy Final Cut Pro - Premiere's nearest relative. Apple essentially gave the indie NLE market to Adobe.

     

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  • Wed, Sep 18 2019 9:43 PM In reply to

    Re: Why make Media Composer similar to Premier??

    All interesting and reasonable. I’m just annoyed that they have to remove such familiar and reliable features when they make these upgrades. It just doesn’t seem necessary to change the little things that make avid feel like avid. But what do I know.

  • Wed, Sep 18 2019 9:45 PM In reply to

    Re: Why make Media Composer similar to Premier??

    Yeah, to you.

    just curious... do you work with dual monitors? Do you use bin containers?

  • Thu, Sep 19 2019 2:47 AM In reply to

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    Re: Why make Media Composer similar to Premier??

    jameslondon74:

    Yeah, to you.

    just curious... do you work with dual monitors? Do you use bin containers?

     

    Yes to both.  One thing that hasn't become fully instinctive to me yet is using the CTRL key to open new bins in the selected window.  Also took a while to get the Effects Palette/Effects Editor windows how I liked them.

     

     

     

  • Thu, Sep 19 2019 7:09 AM In reply to

    Re: Why make Media Composer similar to Premier??

    To smrpix:

    Ok thanks. I haven’t been able to talk to anyone actually using the new version yet so I appreciate your replies. (I’m getting no response from my posts on the forum)

    Could I ask further simple questions:

    1. on your bin container window, how do you deal with the bin container completely covering your desktop? Don’t you miss being able to see icons etc ‘underneath’?

    2. how do you feel about one bin opening up to fill the entire height of the bin container, despite how many clips are in it?

    3. Now that you’ve worked with it a while, what’s your preference for organising many open bins? Do you use tabs? Do you dock the on the left hand bar? Do you split the window into sections? I’m really interested to know how you’ve reacted to it.

    (I tried making a floating bin set up like the old version, but workspaces doesn’t seem to remember it, and defaults back to a full size bin container)

    Thank you so much!

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