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  • Tue, Aug 29 2017 4:10 PM

    • BarkinMadd
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    Anyone using the i9-7900 with Media Composer yet?

    Just wondered if we have any users on this forum who have made the jump to the 10-core (20 hyper) i9 - 7900 yet? If so, how does the performance compare to the previous i7 generations or with dual Xeon systems such as the HP 840 or the Lenovo workstations (like the 910)?

    I had been considering updating to a dual-Xeon Lenovo workstation with a pair of 2.1 GHz 8-core processors for Media Composer and Resolve work but I could shave off up to $2K going with an i9-7900 system so I thought I'd ask this group if they have any real-world experience to share.

    Any thoughts are appreciated. 

    Thanks

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  • Tue, Aug 29 2017 9:34 PM In reply to

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    Re: Anyone using the i9-7900 with Media Composer yet?

    Hi BarkinMadd, 

       I'll send this to the hardware guys, maybe they are testing this.

     

    Thanks,

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  • Wed, Aug 30 2017 12:39 AM In reply to

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    Re: Anyone using the i9-7900 with Media Composer yet?

    Thanks Ralph. I'm surprised no-one else has chimed in. I guess this configuration is still pretty new. 

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  • Wed, Aug 30 2017 1:36 AM In reply to

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    Re: Anyone using the i9-7900 with Media Composer yet?

    My 7820x is working great (mc 8.9.1 1080ti, blackmagic intensity 4k monitoring)

    They're both x299 so I'd expect the similar but better performance when transcoding.

    Go here to see what I wrote about it. http://community.avid.com/forums/t/180415.aspx?PageIndex=2

     

    If Avid is using quicktime, its going to be slow no matter what cpu you use.

    7820x 8 cores $600

    7900x 10 core $1000

    Its quite a jump in price for 2 cores.  For some reason Id rather just go 18core for 2 grand  than 10core for $1,000

     

     

     

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  • Wed, Aug 30 2017 9:25 AM In reply to

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    Re: Anyone using the i9-7900 with Media Composer yet?

    Thanks. Avid is slowly moving away from QuickTime so hopefully this will improve over the next few releases  

    Anyone have any experience with dual Xeon systems compared to this latest generation of i9 processors? I'm wondering if the i9 will out-perform a dual Xeon...

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  • Wed, Aug 30 2017 7:57 PM In reply to

    Re: Anyone using the i9-7900 with Media Composer yet?

    I'm also using the I7-7820X. Great processor, works great, very fast :)

  • Fri, Sep 1 2017 12:39 PM In reply to

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    Re: Anyone using the i9-7900 with Media Composer yet?

    Still curious if anyone has tried the i9-7900X with MC - I wondered if the OC to 4+ GHz across 10 cores for the i9-7900X was faster than a dual Xeon @ 2.1 GHz (the 8-core Xeon x 2 physical processors). Thinking of purchasing a new system and whether to go with Xeons (in a Lenovo 910 workstation, for example) or a home-built i9-7900X (both are expensive but within about $1K CAN of each other with the i9-7900X coming in cheaper of course).

    I know this is a pretty specific question. Most pros seem to side with an HP840 (probably for reliability) whereas a home-built i9-7900X would be considered an extreme gaming platform but...

    Any thoughts welcome. Thanks.

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  • Fri, Sep 1 2017 2:54 PM In reply to

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    Re: Anyone using the i9-7900 with Media Composer yet?

    Hey Barkin....

    Dave in our hardware lab said that the i9 extreme is not compatible with i5 or i7 that ships today.  These are PC gaming CPUs and are not shipping with our workstation divisions.   We have none of these in house and will not be testing them.  

    So unless some brave soul has tried it......  I dont have an answer for you.

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  • Fri, Sep 1 2017 3:06 PM In reply to

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    Re: Anyone using the i9-7900 with Media Composer yet?

    Interesting tests done by Puget systems on i7 verses dual xeons.

    https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Should-you-use-a-Dual-Xeon-for-Premiere-Pro-CC-2017-932/

    I would imagine the i9 to be even faster.

    If that's not enough to be pondering over, Threadripper is promising to put the cat amongst the pigeons!

    The only thing that having dual xeons will definitely give you is more PCI lanes, but I don't think this will be an issue for most of us.

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  • Fri, Sep 1 2017 9:06 PM In reply to

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    Re: Anyone using the i9-7900 with Media Composer yet?

    Thanks to both of you. I'm surprised that Avid will not be testing i9 processors (ever?) - I would have thought that they were simply the next generation that will eventually be adopted - maybe not as I see lots of i7 CPUs launched at the same time.

    Thanks for the link, Bruno!

    Cheers

     

    BTW - for those interested, that article Bruno pointed to examines whether or not a dual Xeon is worth it for Premiere Pro 2017 and the answer is a resounding NO! Have a read, their rationale is quite interesting. Pretty sure the same would be true for Media Composer unless you needed the PCI lanes (but even then, the new breed of consumer CPUs - the unsupported i9s have quite a few PCI lanes - can't remember the details).

    I wonder if Avid Engineering should take another look? Of course, the advantage of an HP 840 or Lenovo 910 workstation is in the reliability and warranty so for business reasons I can certainly see why those would be perferred...

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  • Sat, Sep 2 2017 12:08 PM In reply to

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    Re: Anyone using the i9-7900 with Media Composer yet?

    Also - another article comparing various processors performance with Premiere Pro 2017 here:

    https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Premiere-Pro-CC-2017-1-2-CPU-Comparison-Skylake-X-Kaby-Lake-X-Broadwell-E-Kaby-Lake-Ryzen-7-969/

    I'm not sure why Avid is stuck on workstation class systems - that may have been okay in the old days but not in today's market - in theory Avid is trying to appeal to hobbiests and independent film makers as much as to professional Hollywood editors and hobbiests generally don't purchase $10K workstations.

     

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  • Sun, Sep 3 2017 11:01 AM In reply to

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    Re: Anyone using the i9-7900 with Media Composer yet?

    BarkinMadd:
    Of course, the advantage of an HP 840 or Lenovo 910 workstation is in the reliability and warranty so for business reasons I can certainly see why those would be perferred...

    I think that's the very reason why I've always gone for HP. It's the sheer 24/7 reliability that's important when someone's running a busy facility.

    I've talked to people who have fancy, liquid cooled boxes that certainly wipe the floor performance-wise with the Z840's, but they inevitably experience problems with these systems over the years. Fixing something like a coolant leak can be a time-consuming (and messy) affair. The last time I had a problem with one of my HPs (a PSU failure on a Z800) it took literally one minute to swap out the faulty item.

    I still have an old XW8600 which I use for email and general web surfing. It gets switched on virtually every day from morning to evening, and it's been running without problems for more than 10 years. The only thing I ever do to it is replace the hard disk every 3 or 4 years and clean out the dust every so often.

    Media Composer has never really needed all the power of modern CPUs for simple cutting with native Avid-friendly media. But in today's world, people are expecting real-time 4K playback from linked clips and fast rendering of effects etc. In the past, we would have happily paid over $50 thousand for Avid to supply us with a system like this, which would have specialist hardware and be certified to work as expected.

    Now we expect to pay $5000-10,000 for a system that will handle everything we throw at it, on any piece of software we choose to install - from gaming, through grading to high-end 3D graphics. The computer industry has responded with a huge array of components to try and satisfy us, so we now have the choice of a bewildering number of CPU's, GPU's and storage options available.

    I can easily see how the tech people at Avid must feel about this. No quicker than you've built and tested a system with core i7 and SATA SSD drives, then out comes core i9 and NVMe storage. Even while you're opening the lid to upgrade the components, AMD announce Threadripper and Intel are hyping up Optane as the next advance in memory and storage.

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  • Tue, Sep 5 2017 7:37 PM In reply to

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    Re: Anyone using the i9-7900 with Media Composer yet?

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    Sorry for the delay. I saw your post earlier but got busy and didn’t respond. I have been using the i9-7900X for several weeks now in my new workstation build and I must say it’s been awesome. No crashes or problems of any kind. It transcodes H264 media in Avid Media Composer 8.9.1 faster than any system I have ever used, it practically pegs the processor across all 20 threads. I can play back AMA linked Sony and Canon C300 4K Media Butter smooth from a raid. Performance in Adobe Premiere and Media Encoder is also spectacular. Here is a list of my system specs below.

    Intel i9-7900X

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  • Tue, Sep 5 2017 9:48 PM In reply to

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    Re: Anyone using the i9-7900 with Media Composer yet?

    I would say that the DYI systems have become more reliable and maintainable over the years with much better cabling solutions and toolless access. I haven't seen any as good as HP nor Lenovo Workstations but they seem to be pretty good. I was pricing in Canadian dollars a nice Lenovo Workstation which would set me back about $8K and I would be looking at about $5K for pretty powerful i9-7900X system - not exactly apples-to-applies but it gave me a sense of how much more a workstation would cost. I guess my greatest concern with going with the workstation would be that it would be much slower than the i9-7900X and for more $$$.

    I came to this form hoping someone would have braved the i9 path ... I'm not in a rush for a system upgrade so I can wait for a bit...

    Thanks

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  • Wed, Sep 6 2017 2:25 AM In reply to

    Re: Anyone using the i9-7900 with Media Composer yet?

    I am working for many years now (more than 7 I think) on my i7 2600K pushed to 4.4G

    and I don't see -at specs at least- the quantum leap on nowadays CPUs.

    If you are really slow on renders this would be the only reason to upgrade to 

    a new PC (DNxHD 120 and up resolutions on long form timelines).

    I always made my own PCs.

    Something experience taught me is to only use Intels and Quadros (till

    Avid says different). And of course the main and the first compatible part 

    I should worry about is the CHIPSET.

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