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  • Mon, Aug 7 2017 9:47 AM In reply to

    • pierreh
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    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    Ended up doing exactly that, with the 3 columns workflow: AMA Link in Avid (without being able to see the video, it's all green), export AAF to Resolve, make DNxHD in Resolve for offline editing.

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  • Mon, Aug 28 2017 3:56 PM In reply to

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    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    ref. amc 8.9.1

    Avid Generic Plug-In’s - Avid continues working to remove dependencies on QuickTime libraries. With this release, theAvid Generic plug-in natively supports the following format for linking and playing.

    XAVC-S (mp4)!

    H.264 (.mov and .mp4)

     

    good news for gh5 files: no more green screen when linking 4.2.2_10 bit

     

    yeah! Yes

     

     

     

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  • Mon, Aug 28 2017 6:19 PM In reply to

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    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    Touviere7, just for grins could you run a small check on something. Take a gh5 clip and open it in something like Resolve (or anything else you might have that can read the native clips) and take a look at the duration. Then link the same clip in MC 8.9.1 and see if the duration is the same length.

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  • Mon, Aug 28 2017 9:18 PM In reply to

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    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    dave,

    here you go: clip uhd, 23.976, 4.2.2_10 .mov

     

    mc identical to resolve,

    one frame difference with ppro.

     

    by the way, in resolve, the clip still show video as media offline (sound is ok)

     

    edit: just tried resolve 14.0.0B.067  - same thing!

     


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  • Tue, Aug 29 2017 1:17 AM In reply to

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    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    Thanks much. Would you also be able to test the native MP4 files from the camera? I'm trying to track down if the 1-frame error in XAVC-S is actually specific to XAVC-S or a problem with the MP4 linking with the generic plug-in.

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  • Tue, Aug 29 2017 1:26 AM In reply to

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    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    dave,

     

    my test was with a clip from the lumix gh5...


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  • Tue, Aug 29 2017 4:38 PM In reply to

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    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    Hello everyone,
    I did a quick test and it seems that avid AMA generic plug-in has a problem with GH5 metadata interpretation.
    The source file is from GH5: mov, UHD 3840x2160 50p.

    Avid MC 8.9.1 Interpretation:

    Avid Generic plug-in:

    TC: 16: 08: 35. 24 - 16: 08: 59: 24, DUR: 23.24

    Avid Quicktime plugin:

    TC: 16: 08: 36: 00 - 16: 09: 00: 00 DUR: 24: 00

     

    PHOTOfunSTUDIO 10.0XE (Panasonic media management tool)

    start TC: 16: 08: 36: 00, DUR: 00:00:24


    DaVinci 14b
    Interpretation:
    TC: 16: 08: 36: 00 - 16: 09: 00: 00 DUR: 00: 00: 24: 00

    Concert V4 Interpretation:
    The same as DaVinci

    Lightworks Interpretation:
    TC: Can not load source TC (clip starts 00: 00: 00: 00), DUR: 00: 00: 24: 00

    Media info:

    Duration                                 : 24 s 0 ms
    Time code of first frame                 : 16:08:36:00

     

    Regards

    Vilem

     

    P.S.: Fully MediaInfo:

    Complete name                            : Q:\Orchis_film\Pivo\Material_Pivo\2017_08_17_Benesov_Kostelec_n_c_Lesy_CzBrod\2017-08-17_110625.mov
    Format                                   : MPEG-4
    Format profile                           : QuickTime
    Codec ID                                 : qt   2011.07 (qt  /pana)
    File size                                : 415 MiB
    Duration                                 : 24 s 0 ms
    Overall bit rate                         : 145 Mb/s
    Encoded date                             : UTC 2017-08-17 11:06:25
    Tagged date                              : UTC 2017-08-17 11:06:25
    com.panasonic.Semi-Pro.metadata.xml      : <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="no" ?> / <ClipMain xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xmlns="urn:schemas-Professional-Plug-in:Semi-Pro:ClipMetadata:v1.0"> /   <ClipContent> /     <GlobalClipID>060A2B340101010501010D21130000006FBB5545A07E13345A301090B9160285</GlobalClipID> /     <Duration>1200</Duration> /     <EditUnit>1/50</EditUnit> /     <EssenceList> /       <Video> /         <Codec BitRate="150">H264_420_LongGOP</Codec> /         <ActiveLine>2160</ActiveLine> /         <ActivePixel>3840</ActivePixel> /         <BitDepth>8</BitDepth> /         <FrameRate>50p</FrameRate> /         <TimecodeType>NonDrop</TimecodeType> /         <StartTimecode>16:08:36:00</StartTimecode> /       </Video> /       <Audio> /         <Channel>2</Channel> /         <SamplingRate>48000</SamplingRate> /         <BitsPerSample>24</BitsPerSample> /       </Audio> /     </EssenceList> /     <ClipMetadata> /       <Rating>0</Rating> /       <Access> /         <CreationDate>2017-08-17T11:06:25+02:00</CreationDate> /         <LastUpdateDate>2017-08-17T11:06:25+02:00</LastUpdateDate> /       </Access> /       <Device> /         <Manufacturer>Panasonic</Manufacturer> /         <ModelName>DC-GH5</ModelName> /       </Device> /       <Shoot> /         <StartDate>2017-08-17T11:06:25+02:00</StartDate> /       </Shoot> /     </ClipMetadata> /   </ClipContent> /   <UserArea> /     <AcquisitionMetadata xmlns="urn:schemas-Professional-Plug-in:P2:CameraMetadata:v1.0"> /       <CameraUnitMetadata> /         <Gamma> /           <CaptureGamma>CINELIKE_D</CaptureGamma> /         </Gamma> /         <Gamut> /           <CaptureGamut>BT.709</CaptureGamut> /         </Gamut> /       </CameraUnitMetadata> /     </AcquisitionMetadata> /   </UserArea> / </ClipMain>

    Video
    ID                                       : 1
    Format                                   : AVC
    Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
    Format profile                           : High@L5.2
    Format settings, CABAC                   : Ano
    Format settings, ReFrames                : 2 frame
    Codec ID                                 : avc1
    Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
    Duration                                 : 24 s 0 ms
    Bit rate                                 : 143 Mb/s
    Maximum bit rate                         : 158 Mb/s
    Width                                    : 3 840pixely
    Height                                   : 2 160pixely
    Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
    Frame rate                               : 50,000 FPS
    Color space                              : YUV
    Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
    Bit depth                                : 8 bits
    Scan type                                : Progressive
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.344
    Stream size                              : 408 MiB (98%)
    Encoded date                             : UTC 2017-08-17 11:06:25
    Tagged date                              : UTC 2017-08-17 11:06:25
    Color range                              : Limited
    Color primaries                          : BT.709
    Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
    Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709

    Audio
    ID                                       : 2
    Format                                   : PCM
    Format settings, Endianness              : Big
    Format settings, Sign                    : Signed
    Codec ID                                 : lpcm
    Duration                                 : 24 s 0 ms
    Bit rate                                 : 2 304 kb/s
    Channel(s)                               : 2 kanály
    Channel positions                        : Front: L R
    Sampling rate                            : 48,0 kHz
    Bit depth                                : 24 bits
    Stream size                              : 6,59 MiB (2%)
    Encoded date                             : UTC 2017-08-17 11:06:25
    Tagged date                              : UTC 2017-08-17 11:06:25

    Různé
    ID                                       : 3
    Type                                     : Time code
    Format                                   : QuickTime TC
    Duration                                 : 24 s 0 ms
    Time code of first frame                 : 16:08:36:00
    Time code, striped                       : Ano
    Encoded date                             : UTC 2017-08-17 11:06:25
    Tagged date                              : UTC 2017-08-17 11:06:25
    Bit rate mode                            : CBR

     

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  • Tue, Aug 29 2017 4:54 PM In reply to

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    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    On closer examination, my previous contribution.
    When embedding the same material, transcode from the AMA Avid Generic plugin, the material is one frame (at Timebase 50) shorter than the AMA Quicktime plug-in.

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    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    That's what I thought might be the case. It looks like the 1-frame error is an MP4 issue, not specifically an XAVC-S issue.

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  • Tue, Aug 29 2017 6:04 PM In reply to

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    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    It is not exactly accurate to write MP4, there is a confusion about what a container is and what codec.
    It's a codec problem:
    Container ".mov".
    Avid Generik plug-in reproduces as AVC Long-GOP 300,
    The Quicktime plug-in reproduces as H.264.

    Container "mp4" with the same codec, can not connect Quicktime plugin, but Avid Generik yes (like AVC Long-GOP 300). But it seems, according to TC's interpretation, to be the same mistake as the ".mov" container.

    After further tests it is even more complicated. The length of the clip recorded in the ".mp4" of the container that was overwrapped with "Convert V4" to the ".mov" of the container is not correctly interpreted.
    See:

    V.

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  • Tue, Aug 29 2017 7:31 PM In reply to

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    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    It's really H.264 (which is AVC) in a .MOV container. XAVC-S is still AVC with Sony added stuff in an MP4 container. So regardless of the container, it's the interpretation (and perhaps I should be more correct in saying it's an AVC problem). In any event, it's a problem.

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  • Tue, Aug 29 2017 7:48 PM In reply to

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    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    DStone:

    In any event, it's a problem.

    This is definitely a big problem.
    Is there already expressed from Avid engineers? Bug Number?

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    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    Hi Vilem,

       I created a case for you 03276746, CC'd Dave and touviere7

     

     

    Thanks,

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  • Wed, Aug 30 2017 6:46 PM In reply to

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    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    Just FYI everyone - I just upgraded to Avid 8.9.1 and the P2 plug-in that I was using to directly import 10-bit GH5 files into Avid is no longer working. I don't think it was working for anyone except me anyway LOL so no big deal. :-)

     

    I haven't tried just direct-import or linking to GH5 files with 8.9.1, but I'm reading that there are issues (as noted above).

    Today I'm hopefully going to try Avid 8.9.1 also with new ALL-I 400mbps files from firmware 2.0 and I'll report back what I find.

     

     

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  • Wed, Aug 30 2017 7:54 PM In reply to

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    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    Villem and DStone - can you please confirm what the effect of the bug you found is?

    I don't want to confuse matters so I'd love to clarify. I think what you are saying, in a plain-english nutshell, is that:

    "The latest version of Avid - 8.9.1 - uses a GENERIC plugin to read some codecs that Avid was previously using the Quicktime plugin for. And certain files from the GH5, when linked into 8.9.1, the GENERIC plugin reads and plays the files (apparently) correctly HOWEVER it counts the end frame incorrectly. This means that the 'duration' according to Avid is actually wrong - it is one frame less than the TRUE duration. Other applications, such as Resolve, read the 'true' duration properly."

    Is this right?

    So there is nothing particularly 'wrong' with the footage in Avid - people can still go ahead and edit with it and it's fine - but the frame counts will be wrong so any 'frame accurate' stuff won't work. Yeah?

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