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  • Wed, Jul 5 2017 11:07 PM In reply to

    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    I am waiting for my GH5 (12-60 Leica kit).

    Are 4K files of the GH5 H264 or H265?

    The files of my G7 works flawlessly inside MC.

    Or the problem is only on 10bit files?

    And Dali's Mustache seems very good (it has only limited DNxHD/HR presets).

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  • Thu, Jul 6 2017 5:51 AM In reply to

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    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    hi george,

     

    regular files are H264.

    no problem with .mov 4:2:0_8bit , only 4:2:2_10bit problem...

     

    H265 is only for the 6k business...sorry,  never tried it...

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  • Thu, Jul 6 2017 11:22 PM In reply to

    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    HEVC can be used or FHD or 4K as well. It's a more efficient codec.

    But it's not used by all yet.

    So the problematic files that can't be recognized by MC are only 10bit?

    Even if they are FHD? I have the impression that is H265 to blame

    not the 10 bit. But soon I'll know.

     

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  • Fri, Jul 7 2017 3:39 AM In reply to

    • touviere7
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    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    the only formats to record internally in 4:2:2_10bit are:

    c4k  and 4k   mp4 with lpcm  up to 150mb/ps (.mov container)

    evertything else is 4:2:0_8bit


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  • Fri, Jul 7 2017 6:34 PM In reply to

    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    My workflow for now is:

    Use DaVinci Free version (currently at beta 5) to convert UHD 4:2:0 GH5 files to Avid OP-ATOM DNXHR UHD files. That is the native file format of Avid and you can start editing using these files immediately without having to do any re-consolidation or re-transcode.

    For UHD 4:2:2 GH5 files either use the DaVinci Paid version (And my workflow above), or use Adobe Media Encoder to convert the 4:2:2 files to Avid Quicktime DNXHR UHD files.  Then, you can do a fast import of these files into the Avid, or AMA them.

    And yes, these files are huge, oy, at 359 mbps :((

  • Sat, Jul 8 2017 1:29 AM In reply to

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    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    I've managed to get the original raw H264 10 bit 4:2:2 files working in Avid... ! Weird I know, but true. :-)

    You just need to "re-wrap" them, as actually suggested above by someone. IT WORKS.

    Check this out (ignore references to Vegas) and follow instructions:

    https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/gh5-4k-24-30p-problem--105152/#ca658569

    Then, in Avid, just AMA link to the resulting MXFs (you can't import them, only relink).

    Not sure about performance - my computer is grinding on a render in After Effects for a while yet, but once it finishes I'll get some idea whether it is usable or not.

     

    UPDATE: The user was "usatraveler", by the way, that previously suggest re-wrap as a solution. But they suggested doing it via "Dali" - which I couldn't get to create anything that Avid likes. The new solution (link above in this post) uses FFMPEG and a custom .exe or two from a user on another board.

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  • Sat, Jul 8 2017 2:25 AM In reply to

    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    Glad a rewrap worked out.  Not sure why Dali's Mustache didn't do the job, it probably should - but if you find something that works, without doing an unnecessary transcode, great!

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  • Sat, Jul 8 2017 3:12 AM In reply to

    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    pierreh:
    It seems that at the moment the only software that can deal with GH5 10-bits files the way we want is Davinci Resolve Studio (NOT the free version and NOT the "Studio" version you can buy on the Mac App Store).
    FWIW From the Da Vinci 14 Beta 5 (Studio and free) released yesterday notes      "support for 6K Panasonic GH5 clips"

  • Sat, Jul 8 2017 4:00 AM In reply to

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    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    Follow up: I've tested the files that resulted from "re-wrap" of 10 bit 4:2:2 files from the GH5 via FFMPEG/BMX (Windows 7), and found that:

    WHAT WORKS?

    - C4K and 4K files work great

    - 1080p doesn't work at all (error is "Failed to get the key frame index from the AMA Plug-in)

    ARE THE H264 RE-WRAPPED FILES FAST TO PLAY/EDIT?

    They playback perfectly well, but take a second or so to start - wayyy too laggy for editing.

    I have a RAID 0 setup that has reasonably fast sustained read/write (348MB/s) but it has quite a latency (ie. there is a big delay when you press play). So the files playback absolutely fine, but stopping and starting has a delay.

    BOTTOM LINE: H264 STILL  TOO SLOW TO EDIT WITH

    So for the time being I shall still be cutting with proxies. But at least now, in theory, I hope that I can just re-wrap (super fast) then AMA link into avid, then transcode to 8:1 or something to edit with, then export the timeline as an AAF to DaVinci. Hopefully (havent tried yet) DaVinci will relink back to the original H264 files and let me color grade them.

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  • Sat, Jul 8 2017 4:03 AM In reply to

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    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    BTW here's an example of various framerates and sizes and what works (ALL files are 10-bit except the 3840x2160p59.94 clip):

    BMX WRAPPER LINK RESULTS

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  • Sun, Jul 9 2017 5:07 PM In reply to

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    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    AndrewAction:

    pierreh:
    It seems that at the moment the only software that can deal with GH5 10-bits files the way we want is Davinci Resolve Studio (NOT the free version and NOT the "Studio" version you can buy on the Mac App Store).
    FWIW From the Da Vinci 14 Beta 5 (Studio and free) released yesterday notes      "support for 6K Panasonic GH5 clips"

    Yep, they added support for the 6K files... but 10-bit files (whatever their frame size is) is still only a feature offered by Resolve Studio.

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  • Sun, Jul 9 2017 11:56 PM In reply to

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    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    For anyone hoping that the paid (Studio) version of Resolve would work well with 10-bit H264 4K files from the GH5... well, it works, but I wouldn't say "well". It's extremely slllloowwwwwwwww and buggy.

    It's not maxxing out my CPU, nor my hard drive, so I'm not sure what the issue is. But yeah, I wouldn't recommend trying to actually color grade the files in Resolve for now, without first transcoding. 

    HOWEVER, it could also be that I'm on PC? Maybe the Mac version is faster?

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  • Mon, Jul 10 2017 8:48 AM In reply to

    • David Clarke
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    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    The Studio version of Resolve is supposed to accelerate playback of H.264 using the nVidia card on a PC and not on a MAC so it should be better on a PC.  I have had issues myself with Resolve 14 anyway.  It is buggy but it is still beta.

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  • Mon, Jul 10 2017 12:41 PM In reply to

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    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    On Mac, Resolve Studio (not the free version) can take advantage of CUDA with a Nvidia card - eventhough you're right: it's better optimised on PC.

    Yesterday we ran some tests on a Mac Studio version (12.5.6, not the new 14 beta) and it deals with GH5 files pretty well. Actually it was much faster to encode to DNX36 than the Red footage we have.

    I'm in for months of editing, so when we come to grading for sure v14 will be out of beta and GH5 will be more common.

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  • Mon, Jul 10 2017 10:37 PM In reply to

    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    Did not work on mine

    Avid say "The media is unsupported"

     

     

     

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