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  • Fri, Apr 7 2017 5:30 PM

    • Atomike
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    Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    So I just unboxed my new Panasonic GH5, and shot my first 4K files. And Media Composer says the files are not recognized. Of course. Why didn't I see this coming? I'd like to be able to edit the 4:2:2 4K files, but now I'm wondering if anything shot on my new camera will be usable in Media Composer. Has anyone had any luck with files from the GH5? If so, what settings are you using to shoot?  Will I be able to even use 1080p files from the GH5 in Media Composer? Or am I just royally out of luck? 

    Super frustrated.

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  • Fri, Apr 7 2017 9:25 PM In reply to

    • jdrouette
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    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    Sorry I can't give you an answer until I test my GH5 tonight, but did you ever link to files from the GH4? I didn't think the file format had changed, and I had no problem with the MOV files from the older model.

    jd

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  • Sat, Apr 8 2017 3:56 PM In reply to

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    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    I've done a couple of tests and here's what I've found so far:

    Recording in MOV 4096x2160, 422/10 bit/LongGOP makes a file that Avid can't decode. It plays as a green screen in the monitor.

    Recording in MOV 4096x2160 420/8 bit/LongGOP creates a file that plays back normally in Avid.

    I haven't tested all the record options, but if you're looking for a way in until Avid supports the 10 bit codec, you can use at least one of the other 4K record options.

    I'm sure we'll hear more once the camera becomes more integrated into various workflows.

     

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  • Sat, Apr 8 2017 4:31 PM In reply to

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    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    I'm wondering if the 10-bit CODEC is only supported for the extended (paid) version of Panansonic's AMA plug-in. There is a 30-day trial mode. You have to enable the extended features after installation. I don't have the Panasonic plug-in installed, so I don't know where or how to enable the features (there are 4 of them; I believe it's the re-link option you want).

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  • Sat, Apr 8 2017 6:00 PM In reply to

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    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    here, using a .mov file from gh5 UHD long gop 4:2:2 10 bit/23.976 do give a green screen in mc as well.

     

    i experimented with two ways to transcode to usable files staying in 10 bit:

    adobe encoder cc2017: op1a DNxHR HQX 10 bit

    convert v4: prores yuv 4:2:2 10bit

     

    the new files link and play on a UHD timeline in mc 8.8.1.

    on my system, the dnx play instantly and very smoothly, back and forth (a little better than the prores).

     

    ps  the prores has a higher sampling rate, therefore is a larger file in my test...

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  • Mon, Apr 10 2017 2:47 PM In reply to

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    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    Ok, so this is some good news. I appreciate you guys posting these options. I was unaware Panasonic had a paid AMA, but I will look into that.

    Even if I can't get the 10-bit to work yet, at least it seems there are some formats that will work with Media Composer and 8-bit video.

    I'm not at all interested in trasnsoding files and importing them - I'm really looking to AMA link. So, Media Composer still looks like it's a very poor choice for 10-bit files. But I guess I can always use Premiere Pro, or most other NLEs on the market to edit the other formats that Avid can't handle. (Even some free ones I would imagine). Hmm

    So, that's at least something. Although it's quite a scathing indictment of Avid's software. 

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  • Mon, Apr 10 2017 3:12 PM In reply to

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    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    Atomike:

    So, that's at least something. Although it's quite a scathing indictment of Avid's software. 

    There's no question that Avid has been historically slow at supporting new formats and codecs, and that can be frustrating if you're regularly on the cutting edge of cameras. The GH5 hasn't been out a week, though. I wouldn't condemn the entire software based on this issue.

    It pays to know what to expect from the various software options and which ones(s) suits your specific needs. I personally rely on Avid's stability with long form, complex projects, and have FCP X around when I want to play around with new gadgets.

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  • Mon, Apr 10 2017 6:12 PM In reply to

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    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    I have come across same issue. I used the Sony Catalyst Browse to convert but this in the long run is time consuming. I note the files do not play in Quicktime either.

     

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  • Tue, Apr 11 2017 6:06 AM In reply to

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    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    John Mac:

    I have come across same issue. I used the Sony Catalyst Browse to convert but this in the long run is time consuming. I note the files do not play in Quicktime either.

     

    Avid is probably relying on QT to do the decode in the link. If QT doesn't support the codec yet then it isn't surprising that Avid doesn't work. Does seem unusual that QT doesn't work..

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    Can we go back to the way audio nodes used to be selected? Please? ie if you have audio nodes at the same time on selected tracks; then selecting 1 audio node selects them all at that time. Having to shift select nodes or add an in and out is time consuming and counter productive. At least make it an option.

  • Mon, Jul 3 2017 1:14 PM In reply to

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    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    Just a note to say that I've tried installing the Panasonic P2 AMA plugin, but sadly it doesn't work. Still a green screen when trying to AMA link the GH5's H.264.

    I tried the latest version of the plugin (v4.4) for my version of avid (8.4), however perhaps newer versions of Panasonic's plugin might work? Not sure. 

    http://eww.pass.panasonic.co.jp/pro-av/support/content/download/EN/ep2main/ama_e.htm#tabs-2

    None of the information mentions the GH5 nor H.264 even.

    I'm not 100% sure which version of H.264 the GH5 uses.

    I have a feeling it is Panasonic's own implementation, AVC-Intra4K422.

     

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  • Wed, Jul 5 2017 4:08 PM In reply to

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    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    Hitting a wall with the same problem at the moment.

    Lots of research to find out that there are not many choices.

    It seems that at the moment the only software that can deal with GH5 10-bits files the way we want is Davinci Resolve Studio (NOT the free version and NOT the "Studio" version you can buy on the Mac App Store). Whilst it's only $299, the problem is to get hold of a copy - it's dongle software, you have to physically buy it... I'm in Egypt on this job and it's proving impossible to buy Studio here, we have to ship it in from Dubai and it'll take up to 2 weeks!

    There are other options, but essentially they make you convert to Prores or other, taking ages and resulting with huge files you can't edit with. So you have to convert a second time into DNxHD 36 or something like this.

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  • Wed, Jul 5 2017 4:43 PM In reply to

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    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    EDIUS 8.5 edits these files happily as well and can make Avid-friendly files, but rather like Resolve it is a lot to pay for a program to convert files. 

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  • Wed, Jul 5 2017 5:44 PM In reply to

    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    Have you tried Dali's Mustache Multimedia Suite, formerly HD Cinematics Convert?  It has a "rewrap" function, which is quick and results in file sizes about the same as the original.

    Dali's Mustache is pay-what-you-want as of this week.  Might as well try it - see if the rewrap gives you something you can link.

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  • Wed, Jul 5 2017 5:57 PM In reply to

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    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    Yes! I bought the Studio version of Resolve too, just waiting for the dongle. (Longer term, they are going to remove the dongle requirement when Resolve 14 is released properly, but not sure when that is.)

    Seems like the key is supporting the flavor of H.264 called "High 4:2:2 Intra Profile (Hi422P)".

    I just bough FOOTAGESTUDIO 4K (pc, but I think has a mac version) - am using that, for now, to transcode from H264 Hi422p (as filmed by GH5) to DNxHR 12-bit 4K UHD.

    As for the post above - I tried rewrapping but it doesn't change the actual codec, which is the issue. 

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  • Wed, Jul 5 2017 6:10 PM In reply to

    Re: Editing Panasonic GH5 files

    Indeed, it doesn't change the codec, but sometimes, the rewrap is all it takes to get it into some kind of wrapper/form that Avid will take.

    Never used Footage Studio, but at first glance, it seems to have a good feature set and does NOT seem to be one of those spammy/shady outfits under multiple names, so that's a good start.

    I think Dali's Mustache can take care of the DNxHR transcode as well, if that helps - it's not just a rewrapper.

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