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  • Tue, Mar 10 2015 5:32 AM

    • Rohan
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    building PC workstation for Avid and Davinci. How much power is too much?

    Working with RED 6K for the most part.How much RAM does Media composer 8.x use if it's available. Is 256GB DDR4 overkill? 

    With the GPU, is the NVIDIA Quadro K6000 going to be utilized effectively by media composer. What if I have 2 quadro k6000s? Overkill? What's the difference between 2 GPUs and 2 GPUs in SLI?

    Dual intel xeon E5 2699 v3, 18 cores each, 72 cores all together with hyperthreading. Does media composer know what to do with all that power?

     

    If the answer is no to all the questions above should I rest assured Davinci will utilize two K6000s gpus, 256GB of RAM and 72 cores cpu power?

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  • Wed, Mar 11 2015 12:58 AM In reply to

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    Re: building PC workstation for Avid and Davinci. How much power is too much?

    I find it best not to blaze new cutting edge hardware trails when it comes to Avid. I would peruse the listed turnkey systems, and try, if you are assembling your own kit, to emulate the highend.

    If you have the money, its hard to go wrong buying an HP workstation.

    Dell Display U2713HM(2560x1440), AMD FX8350 8core, AMD 990FX mobo, 32gig-DDR3-1600, Quadro K620/GTX260/core 216, Audigy2zs, 1TB SSD system drive, 2TB SATA... [view my complete system specs]

    Using MC 8.4. Avid FX6.4, Vegas Pro 15/ DVD Architect 6pro, DVDit6.4proHD, CCE Basic, TmpGe Express4, TmpGe Authoring Works 4, DVDLab-Studio. Sony EX-1R, Canon XH-A1, GL2, GL1, Canon EOS 60D

  • Wed, Mar 11 2015 12:29 PM In reply to

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    Re: building PC workstation for Avid and Davinci. How much power is too much?

    I can't say for MC version 8.3, but as far as I'm aware, versions prior to 8 don't fully use all the cores of the latest Intel CPUs or the processing power of the top end Quadro cards. The question is of course, is this likely to change in the near future? Personally speaking, I cannot see how Avid (now that they've committed to 4K and beyond), can ignore the fact that they need to re-write the code such as to make full use of modern hardware. It's the only way they are ever going to get the performance required for these resolutions. It's what Adobe had to do with Premiere Pro and After Effects. The era of specialised hardware is rapidly coming to a close, so software has to be able to tap the resources offered by multiple processors/cores as well as things like CUDA and openGL to be able to shift the data around in something like real-time.

    As to DaVinci... I'm no expert as to the specific requirements of this software (Blackmagic do have a document that covers the recommended hardware requirements) but I can tell you about my personal experience on installing this software. I grabbed a copy of the free DaVinci and first tried it on a HP Xw8600 4 core, 3.06Gbyte processor with a Qudro 4000. Performance was sluggish at best, both with Canon C300 footage and DNX encoded 1080 material. I then tried it on a HP z800 dual 6 core, again with a quadro 4000 card. Performance was OK playing raw footage, but soon dropped once you started adding nodes. Tweaking the preferences can help somewhat (such as lower resolution quality in play/full resolution in stop) but I did come away with the impression that this software was very demanding on hardware. With these impressions, I went to the recent IBC event here in the UK, and went over to the Blackmagic stand, where they had a full DaVinci system (with hardware panel) set up. Trying the panel out, I noticed it had a bit of lag when operating some controls. I particularly noticed it with the three trackerball rings. When I chatted to the rep about this, he did admit there was a small lag. I recounted my experience on using DaVinci and he did say that it was quite demanding in terms of resources. When I asked what the demo machine was running on, he said it was the new Mac Pro 'dustbin', which I imagine was fully specced out. We talked a little about OFX, and he demoed a Boris Film Damage effect on some 1080 footage, which wouldn't play real-time without rendering.

    Given that you want to work with RED 6K, If you can afford it, throw as much muscle as you can at DaVinci! Even then, I suspect you're going to have some long rendering-out times.

    Bruno

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  • Wed, Mar 11 2015 12:32 PM In reply to

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    Re: building PC workstation for Avid and Davinci. How much power is too much?

    Years ago when we bought a HPXW8200 with dual 3.4 2mb cache Xeons and eventually 16GB server ram I thought that would last a good while. It was very quickly obsolete!

    Now you'd think that 72 threads on Dual Xeons will last a long time too but Intel has a habit now with tick-tock of moving quickly. Witness Broadwell gen 5 looking to be able to use single 16gb mem sticks but that won't be backwards for Haswell gen 4 DDR3. It would be safe to assume, you'd think, that such a setup as you propose will be very powerful into the forseeable future but one day you'll hit a brick wall and it will of cost an arm an a leg.

    I agree with TVJohn a good certified equivalent dual 6 core Xeon setup, Quadro 4/8gb and say 32gb of ram will be a very powerful hardware setup, that eventually will be the most efficient and economical ROI, for both Resolve and MC.

    I do think processors are far more important than ram for MC, single i7 quad cores are really the absolute minimum I feel for MC8.3 upto 2K, at the moment. Running one here at 3.4GHz on a laptop and full 10/8bit green quality on Arri 2K works well, even with AMA prores 4:4:4:4, but I hardly dare and have not tried 4K yet! Resolve lite and Fusion run well too with a Nvidia Geforece 2gb average card too on the same laptop.

     

  • Wed, Mar 11 2015 5:24 PM In reply to

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    Re: building PC workstation for Avid and Davinci. How much power is too much?

    Ya, i was thinking about a system that will be relavent for the next 5 to 7 years. It seems as if computer hardware is still far ahead of the software. thanks

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  • Wed, Mar 11 2015 5:47 PM In reply to

    Re: building PC workstation for Avid and Davinci. How much power is too much?

    Bruno, Resolve is very GPU intensive. The Quadro 4000 is just not very powerful. A GTX 970 or 980 would be much better for Resolve.

    "When I spent 60k on a discreet edit digisuite system 10 years ago someone came up to me to offer fcp 2, I said it was a scam too." -Ric

  • Wed, Mar 11 2015 11:02 PM In reply to

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    Re: building PC workstation for Avid and Davinci. How much power is too much?

    http://www.studio1productions.com/Articles/NVidia-GPU-Chart.htm

     

    Some useful data on Video cards here.

    Dell Display U2713HM(2560x1440), AMD FX8350 8core, AMD 990FX mobo, 32gig-DDR3-1600, Quadro K620/GTX260/core 216, Audigy2zs, 1TB SSD system drive, 2TB SATA... [view my complete system specs]

    Using MC 8.4. Avid FX6.4, Vegas Pro 15/ DVD Architect 6pro, DVDit6.4proHD, CCE Basic, TmpGe Express4, TmpGe Authoring Works 4, DVDLab-Studio. Sony EX-1R, Canon XH-A1, GL2, GL1, Canon EOS 60D

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