Avid Media Composer - PC

Re: Canon 24F HDV from XH-A1

BobbyMurcerFan — Thu, 07 May 2009 19:36:17 GMT

Well it seems that Final Cut Pro, Sony Vegas and Premiere can all capture 24F with timecode.

"BTW... I have no problem with 24f timecode in Adobe CS3 and I use 24f a lot."

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/open-dv-discussion/234843-24p-vs-24f.html#post1139108

I referenced statements that Vegas and FCP work in another thread.

So either the other programs are capturing timecode inaccurately or Avid is still not supporting 24F properly. I find it hard to believe that the XH-G1, which is a $6K camera with genlock, timecode in/out and HD-SDI out with imbedded timecode, creates a timecode that can't be properly read. Wouldn't Canon have heard about this problem and fixed it by now? Esp. with the camera being out for three years?

Given that the XH-A1, XH-G1 and XL-H1 have been used from broadcast to feature films, I tend to think that properly capturing timecode with cameras is possilbe.

If that's the case, then Avid has a lot of nerve saying it now supports 24F.

Re: Canon 24F HDV from XH-A1

MovieMaker76 — Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:33:36 GMT

No worries. It just seemed that you thought I had some say in what Avid claims to support.

I understand your frustration, and I encourage you to talk to them. Because, they really listen to us. A lot of the fixes in 3.5 were based on the issues we brought up.

Again, no worries, I just sincerely wish I could help you more.

Sincerely,

Todd

Re: Canon 24F HDV from XH-A1

PhoenixF2B — Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:18:21 GMT

Especially since our 3.0 Media Composer was also able to capture 24f without timecode, so what exactly IS the added support for it in 3.5?

Re: Canon 24F HDV from XH-A1

PhoenixF2B — Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:12:50 GMT

Moviemaker,

I am not getting angry at you. I am not getting angry at anyone and I apologize if I came off that way in my last post. I am just getting frustrated because:

1) I search the forums and there seem to be a lot of people having issues with this, and people who have it working (I am not directing this at you) are asking what settings are being used when it's not working, but so far no one who DOES have it working seems to be volunteering the settings that they are using to get it to work.

2) one of the reasons we bought the upgrade to 3.5 is because of the "support" of the canon 24f. If you want to consider yourself lucky that you can capture it at all is one thing, but if it cannot use timecode then that cannot be considered as supporting the format because that takes away any ability for offline capture or batch capturing.

Again, I do apologize if I came off aggressive, I certainly didn't intend to. As I stated in a previous post, I do not blame Avid for the format, I know they are doing the absolute best they can to keep up with all of the half assed formats out there and you are right, their staff is courteous and very helpful. My company personally hates HDV for a variety of reasons, most of which that each brand is slightly different than the next for there are multiple HDV formats that won't work with each other. We won't touch for the format for shooting, but we unfortunately have clients who bring us HDV footage and this particular one with the Canon is really wearing thin.

If ANYONE on this forum has been able to capture with timecode, then I would be extremely grateful to know what project settings you chose.

My only gripe with Avid is that if it is not capable of capturing 24F with timecode, then Avid really shouldn't have put that on it's list of newly supported formats for the upgrade because it is very misleading.

Regards,

Dan

Re: Canon 24F HDV from XH-A1

MovieMaker76 — Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:49:08 GMT

Phoenix,

First off, do not get angry with me as I don't work for Avid, or have anything to do with what is on the feature list.

Secondly, I explained eariler that I was simply talking about caputring in 24f and that I was NOT talking about capturing with timecode. I specifically said that I did not know why we can't capture with timecode.

So, I just ask you to express your feelings to Avid directly, as I have nothing to do with what Avid claims to support or not support. But, I would suggest speaking to them with respect.

What I do know is this - Avid is doing everything they can to compensate for our problems. I have talked to them numerous times about issues and have been met with kindness and diligence.

At this point, I am grateful that I can at least capture 24f, even without timecode.

Sincerely,

Todd

Re: Canon 24F HDV from XH-A1

PhoenixF2B — Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:31:28 GMT

I am not understanding why there are no answers being given on this. This thread is rather quiet considering how many people were having questions and issues with the 24f.

Everyone keeps asking "which settings am I using to get an error?" or what I am doing wrong. My question is, the people who HAVE it working, can you please tell us what settings YOU are using to get it to work?

That section of the readme that was posted above had no bearing on the issue at all, doesn't even address my question about the "discontinuity of timecode" error. We have Avid capturing the 24f footage but WITHOUT timecode.

Can Avid Media Composer 3.5 capture Canaon XH-A1 24f WITH timecode? If it cannot, then that claim to support the format is false and needs to be removed from the feature list.

Re: Canon 24F HDV from XH-A1

BobbyMurcerFan — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 23:53:27 GMT

MovieMaker76:

This is taken directly from the readme document for the release of 3.5 on march 2nd. As far as caputring with timecode, I don't know about that - as I was referring directly about just caputring 24f.

Here the excerpt from the README document:

Capture

If you have problems with batch capture accuracy for footage captured over 1394 due to

undetected small timecode breaks, select the “Enable detection of small timecode break”

option located in the Capture Settings DV& HDV tab.

When performing captures over FireWire with the SonyZ7U or Canon XH-G1 camera, you

might receive "Lack of progress" errors.

So doing this has enabled you to capture timecode with 24F?

Re: Canon 24F HDV from XH-A1

PhoenixF2B — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:50:30 GMT

We are using the Canon XH A1 and we can capture WITHOUT timecode but when we try with it, it says "discontinuity in timecode". If Avid cannot capture the timecode of that footage, they they are falsely claiming supporting the 24f feature.

I also don't blame avid, as HDV is a half assed format and it doesn't help that every brand has their own little idiosyncracies that make them incompatible with everything. With a million formats out there, Avid is only trying to catch up so I don't blame them. But DON'T claim that you support the format when you really don't.

I would love to get a response from an AVID tech if I am wrong. Please prove me wrong on this, I want to be wrong with this. Judging by responses on this forums I am not the only one with this issue.

Re: Canon 24F HDV from XH-A1

MovieMaker76 — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:02:22 GMT

This is taken directly from the readme document for the release of 3.5 on march 2nd. As far as caputring with timecode, I don't know about that - as I was referring directly about just caputring 24f.

Here the excerpt from the README document:

Capture

If you have problems with batch capture accuracy for footage captured over 1394 due to

undetected small timecode breaks, select the “Enable detection of small timecode break”

option located in the Capture Settings DV& HDV tab.

When performing captures over FireWire with the SonyZ7U or Canon XH-G1 camera, you

might receive "Lack of progress" errors.

Re: Canon 24F HDV from XH-A1

PhoenixF2B — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:37:24 GMT

Ok, I am looking at the readme document that came on the Avid 3.5 disc and there are NO matches for 24f, or Discontinuity. Where did you find this information?

Re: Canon 24F HDV from XH-A1

PhoenixF2B — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 00:24:55 GMT

I was replying to Moviemaker, he asked me in a few posts above what settings I was using.

Also, this right from their new feature list:

"Supported formats: Canon 24f HDV capture, Sony progressive HDV "

if it can't capture 24f with timecode then how can they claim they support the format?

Re: Canon 24F HDV from XH-A1

PhoenixF2B — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 00:24:47 GMT

I was replying to Moviemaker, he asked me in a few posts above what settings I was using.

Also, this right from their new feature list:

"Supported formats: Canon 24f HDV capture, Sony progressive HDV "

if it can't capture 24f with timecode then how can they claim they support the format?

Re: Canon 24F HDV from XH-A1

BobbyMurcerFan — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 00:06:32 GMT

BobbyMurcerFan:

Are you able to capture w/ timecode selected?

Phoenix, this was direceted at MovieMaker. FWIU, Avid can't capture TC w/ 24F.

Re: Canon 24F HDV from XH-A1

PhoenixF2B — Sun, 12 Apr 2009 22:47:56 GMT

Which Readme? I failed to find it on the readme posted on this forum a bit back and the Avid help files don't address the matter at all. Where are you finding this?

Re: Canon 24F HDV from XH-A1

cdk — Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:43:58 GMT

MovieMaker76...can't find anything in the Read Me about this. Can you let us know what project settings you use to digitize 24f? Thanks.