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  • Mon, Feb 7 2011 4:33 PM In reply to

    Re: What animation/graphic programs are Avid editors using?

    You are confusing the editor (producer?) with the special FX department.

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  • Mon, Feb 7 2011 4:46 PM In reply to

    Re: What animation/graphic programs are Avid editors using?

    So far, the concensus seems to be that I should start with AfterEffects.    As a follow-up question, what book do you all recommend for my first foray into learning the program on my own?

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  • Mon, Feb 7 2011 4:56 PM In reply to

    Re: What animation/graphic programs are Avid editors using?

    Now - if you want to get started with AfterEffects and begin to see what's possible, I recommend you have a look at Andrew Kramer's site www.videocopilot.net - and go to the tutorials tab. Start with the basic training series. Also check out the advanced tutorials - he makes it look as if there's nothing you couldn't do with AfterEffects. The tool is good - his tutorials are absolutely fantastic!

    As Steve pointed out this is a good place.

    I have bought from him Sound FX's and Motion Graphics Bundles.

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  • Mon, Feb 7 2011 7:03 PM In reply to

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    Re: What animation/graphic programs are Avid editors using?

    The Meyers are good teachers.

    http://www.crishdesign.com/books.html

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  • Mon, Feb 7 2011 8:32 PM In reply to

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    Re: What animation/graphic programs are Avid editors using?

    I use (and really am starting to like) Avid FX (Boris Red) - and as a bonus - it comes with MC5 - why is it not more popular with Avid editors?

    I agree on Photoshop - that is a must.

    But I cannot justify the cost of CS5 just for the 'add ons' and then  just discard Premier. 

    The MC5 bundle provides Avid FX and Avid DVD ++ - so unless you want a job in the industry working for others, why do you have to go with AE?

    Just a quesiton.

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    Re: What animation/graphic programs are Avid editors using?

    Don't discard Premiere - If you need to do multi-track audio (5.1) it's useful for that. Also - SoundBooth has it's moments (another plus with CS5). A surprising number of very useful tools for about 1.5 x the cost of AfterEffects by itself (more or less)...

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  • Mon, Feb 7 2011 10:19 PM In reply to

    Re: What animation/graphic programs are Avid editors using?

      

    adamsonn:
    I use (and really am starting to like) Avid FX (Boris Red) - and as a bonus - it comes with MC5

    I have Avid FX (version 5.8, that came with MC 4), but never really played around with it.    I find the lack of documentation on the Boris products (at least the ones bundled under the Avid name) to be frustrating.  Any recommendations on tutorials to help learn Boris Red?  I tried to find a third party book, but could not come up with anything?

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  • Mon, Feb 7 2011 10:52 PM In reply to

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    Re: What animation/graphic programs are Avid editors using?

    adamsonn:

    I use (and really am starting to like) Avid FX (Boris Red) - and as a bonus - it comes with MC5 - why is it not more popular with Avid editors?

    I agree on Photoshop - that is a must.

    But I cannot justify the cost of CS5 just for the 'add ons' and then  just discard Premier. 

    The MC5 bundle provides Avid FX and Avid DVD ++ - so unless you want a job in the industry working for others, why do you have to go with AE?

    Just a quesiton.

    A big problem with AVID FX (BCC plulg-ins) is that in a lot of instances the plug-ins are no where near as flexible as the same plug-in in After Effects.  Plus, AE has much more tutorials and support wnen it come to learning the applciation.  That beings said, there are also a few BCC6 plug-ins that are very useful that are not included in AE unless you buy them seperately... but, the long and short of it is that AE has more resources to which a newbie and fall back on for support.

    CS5 Production Premium has some portions that are exceptional... Photoshop, After Effects and Encore for example.  But, as for Premier Pro as an editing application... MC5 (IMHO) still provides more stability... and so, the verdict is still out... but, it appears to me with CS5 the margin is definately closing between what AVID MC offers and what Adobes offers in it's CS5 Production Premium set of editing and compositing applications.  Specially when you look at the price difference.

    At this point, AVID's biggest advantanges is it is an industry standard for EDITING... but, I do believe AE is the industry standard for compositing applications. 

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  • Mon, Feb 7 2011 11:09 PM In reply to

    Re: What animation/graphic programs are Avid editors using?

    Terry Snyder:
    I find the lack of documentation on the Boris products (at least the ones bundled under the Avid name) to be frustrating.  Any recommendations on tutorials to help learn Boris Red? 
    Douglas's tutorial on here are a great start.

    What is wrong reasonably extensive help files (help drop down menu) available when you have Avid FX open?

  • Mon, Feb 7 2011 11:56 PM In reply to

    Re: What animation/graphic programs are Avid editors using?

    AndrewAction:
    What is wrong reasonably extensive help files (help drop down menu) available when you have Avid FX open?

    You're a better man than I am, Andrew...  I'm one of those idiots who can't seem to learn a new piece of sophisticated software from the help files alone.   I always look for a "Quick Start Guide" that many programs supply, or opt for a third-party book that lays out a systematic step-by-step guide to learning the software.    Year ago, I first learned Avid from Sam Kaufman's excellent intro book.   After I learn the basics, then the drop-down help menus are fine.  I was hoping for a step-by-by book on Boris, but I don't think one exists... 

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  • Tue, Feb 8 2011 2:17 AM In reply to

    Re: What animation/graphic programs are Avid editors using?

    Not a book but  how about this  from Boris FX website video tutorials.

    As I said before Douglas's Avid FX Tutorials on the site here are a pretty good for starters.

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    Re: What animation/graphic programs are Avid editors using?

    AndrewAction:
    As I said before Douglas's Avid FX Tutorials on the site here are a pretty good for starters.

    Thanks for the mentions Andrew.
    (Sorry I am a bit low on cash just now......)

    Terry,
    If you are not in a big hurry, and you contact me, I'll give you some information on a new series of tutorials I am making right now.
    They will be dealing with AvidFX, BCC AVX filters and the "standard" FX that are built into MC from the first installation.

    The idea behind the series is based on the old Chinese proverb:

    Give a man a fish and he can eat for a day -  teach a man to fish and he can eat for the rest of his life.

    By learning to "fish" you will be able to create your own unique effects or adjust existing templates to form them to your own wishes. After all it is uniqueness that separates the masters from the masses.

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    Re: What animation/graphic programs are Avid editors using?

    Free Boris Red (Avid FX) tutorials:

    http://www.borisfx.com/tutorials/RED.php

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  • Tue, Feb 8 2011 6:25 PM In reply to

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    Re: What animation/graphic programs are Avid editors using?

     

    As a lot of people have provided links to the Avid FX  / Boris Red tutorials - I will refrain from doing so as well.

    But suffice to say the tutorials provide a lot of value as there are a number of concepts in them that can be used in other projects.

    Also, just to clarify; Although a lot of the BCC filters are available in both Avid MC and Avid FX, I need to state that I do most of my compositing and FX work inside the Avid FX standalone application / interface and not through BCC -

    In fact I run Avid FX on a seperate machine to MC5 and export my titles and FX etc as animated movs with alpha channel. 

    By doing this I can concentrate on the physical editing in MC and the titling etc in Avid FX.

    I am reaching a point now where even simple titles that used to be done in Photoshop or AvidMarquee / Titler are now done in Avid FX.

    As I am not familiar with AE I cannot comment on if it is better than Avid FX, but each time I think I should buy the CS5 suite - my wallet snaps shut and a little voice (possibly my wife) asks "what for? You have never not been able to do something in the tools you have - spend the money on something else".

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  • Tue, Feb 8 2011 6:40 PM In reply to

    Re: What animation/graphic programs are Avid editors using?

    Thanks Robert.

    Motion Key doesn't work as well sometimes though.

    I managed sometimes to wipe out something while other times it is impossible.

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