"... WOW 3k ..."

Yeah.  We paid $525 for TDP when we bought it.  So, apparently, Avid feels it's 6X better, to justify the 6X price increase.  Are you freakin' kidding me?

I just tried my TDK Pro installation from Liquid and works fine with MC.

At installation asks if you want it like an Avid plugin.

Install my serial got me keycode online and it is fine inside MC.

Let me move this in my Avid programs backup.

One drawback though. Isn't RT. It's blue dot.

The reveal function (instead of still crawl or roll) works first time for me.

In Liquid it didn't but the overall functionality was better in Liquid.

TDK Pro reacts differently in MC. Undoer doesn't work the first time

unless you reset the program to the factory defaults.

It doesn't save to MC as inside Liquid but to TDK Pro folder.

And TD Pro stays open all the time.

It reminds me how it worked with Premiere and DV500 in a way.

I think that Title Tool of MC is faster than this one unless it is because I am trying for the first time.

As I am a fast learner and I am subtitling some apple trailers for a friend in studio for his show at my spare

time and I used to Title Tool, I will try TD Pro also as I used to it for 6-7 years to Liquid.

Great addition though. Even from the past. Knowing that now costs 3000 or so it feels a lot better now.

The biggest drawback is that you have to close TD Pro each time you want a new title.

Put a new title on a filler or on a live video and then reopen it from there.

The best way to work is like the subcap tool.

At a sequence you want to subtitle add TD Pro to a filler above the video and then cut in little pieces as much as you want each title to be.

Go to each one through effect editor and make the changes you want.

Then save it as a new title and go on.

It's not as fast as Title tool or even sub cap but if you got the time take your changes.

If you don't save everytime as a new graphic all the titles will be replaced with the one you are working on.

The best way to work fast is to keep open both TDPro and Effect Editor.

Good Luck.

sverkalo:

And we exLiquid users have that for free...

I am not sure about this, but from what I can read the TitleDeko Pro included in Liquid is not really the same as the Deko range of professional products offered by Avid.
For example the products on this page (if they are what is being referred to) are high level professional products.

http://www.avid.com/resources/matrix/deko-matrix.asp

However, as said, I am not sure about this.

Regards,
Douglas

I remember in my early days with a computer I bought CD's with titles like, "10,000 Fonts" and "The best 25,000 Fonts".
I was a font magpie!
In reality I used, at the most, 4 or 5 fonts with any regularity. I never even looked at the other 34,994 fonts!
But I had them in case I needed them.

It looks like it is the same for Titling Tools

Boris Graffitti (part of the AvidFX suite) will do almost anything that you can't do with either the Avid Title Tool or Marquee. If you are an AE user, you also have access to everything you will ever need.

No need to be a Title Tool Magpie!

But, they say it is a free world, so each to his own.......... 

(They also say, "Jack of all trades -  Master of none")

Regards,
Douglas (with 34,994 redundant fonts!)

Sorry guys, but it seems kind of foolish to try and force MC to work with TDK Pro. As much as I like TDK Pro in Liquid, the Marquee tool in MC is far superior once you learn to use it. It is a true 3D title tool with the abiility to animate your titles. I can't see any reason to mess with TDK Pro. There is also a simple title tool in MC for down and dirty titles. I would love to see something like Marquee in NexGen perhaps with a few less bells and whistles for easier use.

And, as Douglas said, you also have AvidFX (Boris Red) which is itself a very powerful titler again with 3D capability.

Both Marquee and AvidFX are worth learning and both have prebuilt titles with effects that you can start with so you don't have to create from scratch until you learn them.

Noone forces anything. MC sees TDPro as a standard .avx plugin.

That's all. If someone wants to use it it's up to him or her.

P.S. And of course "our" TD isn't the one Avid sells.

But it seems it is based on it.

Many of us believed in TD as a good editor and Avid proves that by improving it and adding broadcast characteristiscs to it. And from just a titling tool expands it a lot more to a broadcast tool.

TDK was really good once you learned how to use it. The ability to add shadows, borders, edges, and such is what I miss with the title tool. Just basic text with no movement but it gave you the ability to dress your text up more then in the title tool. I have to get my hands more on Marquee and push it. OVerall you use what you are more comofrtable with.

I am saying that again that even I am used to TD for years, Title Tool is a lot better experience when working with MC. Marquee is a very good titler also but for fast work as subtitling, the Title Tool is the one to go.

With some touches it could go even better.

The strength of Post Deko for editors is the ability to work in a collaborative environment.  In a facility that has Avid Deko CG's, the files from the Deko's can be opened directly in MC.  This includes any animations and effects that the CG operator has created.  This integration between the systems speeds up the work flow.  In a broadcast environment Post Deko for editors is a solid addition to MC's toolset.

In a standalone environment a single MC edit station doesn't require the collaborative workflow described above.  Post Deko may not be the right tool for the job.  As has been said already - Marquee, Avid FX, Photoshop, AE or C4D will fill the need with regards to titling.  

Horses for courses.

There are some things PDforE does better than Title Tool or Marquee.  We bought several licenses of TDP at $525, with the promise that it would eventually support HD.  When it did (three years later), it had been re-branded as PostDeko for Editors and the price jumped up to $3,000.  We don't need a "collaborative" version, just the HD version we were promised.