Is that thing selling at all?

Anyone owns one?

There's one in a facility in Auckland, I've seen it, but I haven't used it. But I know it's there. I think we'll be getting some at my new job, but I don't work there yet, and I don't make buying decisions, so I don't know for sure.

I'd be inclined to pair it up with a Blackmagic Design converter myself, to add Analogue I/O support.

That Mojo DX box is pathetic for what it costs. Im making the slow switch to FCP and cant wait to get one of the blackmagic bridges.  that do more for way less

creativethinker:

That Mojo DX box is pathetic for what it costs. Im making the slow switch to FCP and cant wait to get one of the blackmagic bridges.  that do more for way less

 ....The Mojo DX box is priced not to sell

Everything is about perception. And the common perception is that Nitris DX is overprices. But i the figures talk another language.

MC Mojo DX costs €7700 incl. MC. Mojo DX costs therefore €5800.
MC Ntris DX costs €11500 incl. MC. Nitris DX costs therefore €9600.

What give you the extra €3800?
One hardware DNxHD codex.
Analog input and output.
Some more Audio i/o.
LTC
and two SDI, one SD and one HD, not a shared one.
(I do not know, but I will not be surprised if Nitris DX and Mojo DX is based on the same motherboard there Nitris has some plug-in cards lead to it with the hardware codec and the analog output).

In a Business You got these options. 3 MC Nitris DX or 1 MC Nitris DX and 3 MC Mojo DX (or 1 MC Nitris DX, 2 MC Mojo DX and ½ ProTools HD). In a small studio You got 1 MC Mojo DX and close to 1 HD professional monitor, for the same price as 1 MC Nitris DX.

In a world there more and more is tapeless and filebased, most of the additional features in Nitris DX is unnecessary. The DNxHD hardware codec is most useful if You use lots of HDCAM, or non-standard HD there You can get uncompressed output form the feeder.

At the end, we have MC Mojo DX with a computer for €13000 or on the other side FCP with Black Magic for €7500. MC with Mojo SDI and a computer will cost €9600 and with the old Mojo (now called Mojo DNA) it will be € 8800. Only You can descide it the extra money, and hopfully more problem free editing, is worth the price.

Blackmagic broadcastconverter will cost You less than €800. Use it with MC Mojo DX and You got most of the capabilities of MC Nitris DX (mostly no hardware DNxHD codec) for a price of €8500 compare to MC Nitris DX price of €11500.

Also You can use Mojo DX with HP xw4600 or Dell T3400 compare to the mini requierment of Nitris of HP xw8600 or Dell  T5400. You can save another €2000 to €3000 on Mojo with this configuration. And ofcourse, You get less realtime capabilities but maybe You can live with that.

If anything, using Final Cut Pro made me appreciate Avid's hardware even more than before. The performance benefits offered by Avid's approach are definitely worth the money in my opinion. I just don't think it's possible to get anywhere near the performance when you're supporting a range of hardware and just about any old codec.

I spend much more time rendering and waiting in FCP than I do in Avid. For a commercial operation, I think the cost of Avid hardware is more than justified.

Sycophant:

If anything, using Final Cut Pro made me appreciate Avid's hardware even more than before. The performance benefits offered by Avid's approach are definitely worth the money in my opinion. I just don't think it's possible to get anywhere near the performance when you're supporting a range of hardware and just about any old codec.

I spend much more time rendering and waiting in FCP than I do in Avid. For a commercial operation, I think the cost of Avid hardware is more than justified.

It’s the same for me. I started using FCP a year and a half ago when I started my current job. Many people have told me that “once you start using FCP you won’t miss Avid at all.” While I find FCP a robust and capable NLE that gets all the big things right; Price, ease of entry for HD, and hardware selection; it’s the little things that drive me up the wall like trimming, media management, and interpolation with older software versions. My biggest problem with FCP is that I find myself rendering a lot. If I add a graphic I have to render. If I turn on a layer I have to render. If I turn off a layer I have to render. If I undo something I have to render. I have used the Avid Mojo DX on limited basis but the thing that impressed me most is the speed. Avid has made claims of real-time performance before but never like this. If you are working with in the DVCPro HD realm for most of your HD needs then the Mojo DX is all you need. With a 6 drive raid I got 4 streams of 1080i60. I not talking about 4 streams of low rez  proxy performance, or 4 streams of it can barely play it performance. I mean when I press play it plays with let’s go to tape now performance. Sometimes we get so used to something we don’t see how it truly affects us. If you ever find yourself in a situation where you are editing similar projects on both an Avid and FCP system do yourself a favor and track the amount of time you spend waiting. If time is truly money for you like it is for me then you may be in for a rude awakening. I currently use MC 3.0 home for my all my freelance projects on the side and I plan on adding the Mojo DX later this year. Even with the few projects I complete in addition to my regular Job the Mojo DX’s price of 10K is negligible. Well back to work.

berga:

Everything is about perception. And the common perception is that Nitris DX is overprices.

...No, the MOJO DX is what's overpriced. The Nitris DX is perfectly priced and is most reasonable for the feature set that comes with it. This is most certainly not the case for the MOJO DX.

I can not understand why a hardware DNxHD codec, one extra SDI, some analog i/o and AES/EBU audio is worth more than €3800, maybe €5000 (if we compare to Your valuation of Mojo DX). Especialy if You working in a tapeless workflow and use ProTools for audio finishing.

But the tast is different and we value things different.

Remember, figures and facts must support your argumentation if You will go beyond perception.

Doc_Holiday:

Even with the few projects I complete in addition to my regular Job the Mojo DX’s price of 10K is negligible. Well back to work

I don't understand how 10K is acceptable for a software and Hardware package. Yes Avid Media Composer the $2,500 price tag is perfect... well maybe yes maybe no. It is one Bad A** software. But the DX box! is worth no more then 3K in my opinion 

Once again go look at the BlackMagic Box it dose everything if not more for $1,500.00  Most post house I have been dealing with all run BlackMagic boxes and cant be happier from what they tell me.

i am getting ready to switch to FCP for some work that is coming up later this year. After pricing out a FCP system my budget came up to a little over $10,000.00  Now for 10K un like Avid that all you get is a software and a box. Fo 10K I will be getting a MacPro that is an 8 core with 8GB of RAM,  2TB of Raid storage. A BlackMagic Pro box. and the FCP studio software. 

Now spending 10K on that.. yeah that is negligible 

WAKE UP AVID!

Okay its hard not to add to this thread.  I move from Final Cut to Avid once or twice a year and have a new Avid job on the horizon so I am thinking about buying MC 3.  It is nice that the software is now under $2,500 but looking at IO options the prices seem almost laughable.  $8K for Mojo DX, around $20K for Nitris - can this be correct?

Forgive me if I am missing something but I can't help to cross compare.  Final Cut Studio 2 is under $1,200.  AJA IOHD is under $3,000 with Kona 3 and Kona LHe the same or less with breakout boxes.  Black Magic and a couple of other vendors are in the ballpark.  Aside from one hardware codec what does Nitris offer that this package doesn't??  It better be freaking huge to warrant such a difference in price.

Its been a while since I was on a new Avid system so maybe the folks who say they get bogged down in render time in FC have a point, I can't be sure.  Most of the complex, render intensive work in my current workflow tends to be done in After Effects so I haven't noticed any problems with long render times in FC myself and that includes a decent amount of uncompressed HD finishing.

In the long run I'd ideally like to have both Avid and Final Cut running on their own boot drives in my Mac Pro.  With MC coming down in price this is more appealing than ever but when one considers needing an IO device for Avid the feasibility goes out the window.  Avid the prices on these boxes is driving a customer who wants to buy your product away.

I think the answer to "what does the DX offer that AJA IO or Black Magic Multibridge doesn't" is pretty simply -- support for Avid Media Composer.

Is it worth it? I don't know. Personally I value what I believe is the increased productivity I get from Avid, and if that is only possible with the DX hardware, then so be it. My personal experience has been that FCP with it's various options just isn't a smooth in operation as Avid is with it's hardware. Realtime performance isn't even close, and actual operational responsiveness isn't there either.

Is that a problem with FCP as software, or something to do with the lack of optimisation that comes from supporting multiple hardware vendors, I don't know. I suspect it's a combination.

Avid have changed their approach to hardware substantially over the last few years, and it could still well change. Perhaps they will find a way to either make their own I/O hardware cheaper, or extract satisfactory performance from third-party hardware, but in the meantime the options are what they are.

So the answer about what features DX hardware offers that AJA and BMD can't is "it works with Media Composer"

Previously I have been inclined to make decisions based on a simple look at the price, but in my experience that seldom works out all that well, and I think the more those decisions matter to your business, the less sensible it is to make decisions that way.

The saying that applies here to me is "in for a Penny, in for a Pound" - if you're going to spend anything on an editing system be prepared to spend whatever it takes to get what's going to do the job best for you.

That Mojo DX box is pathetic for what it costs. Im making the slow switch to FCP and cant wait to get one of the blackmagic bridges.  that do more for way less.

.- You'll find yourself doing more for way less...

More rendering.

WAY more.

Many people have told me that “once you start using FCP you won’t miss Avid at all.”

.- Many of that people have never been in front of an Avid.

I think the Nitris DX is priced correctly. Heck, mines already paid off in the few months that I've had it. The trick is doing good work and having great clients. I don't work for free so why should I expect Avid to drop prices so low that they have to struggle to survive as a company. Avid provides professional tools and this is invaluable to me and worth the extra money.

Everyone's budgets and business plans may be different, so pick a solution that works best for you. I think it's great that there are many options for NLE's out there. It keeps the competition high. I've been editing on Avid since the mid 90's but purchased my own Adrenaline HD system at NAB 2006. The system was paid off by the end of that year in 2006. It was well worth the money and justifiable to my business so I recently upgraded to the new Symphony DX. I hope it continues to generate income for the next few years.