Haze:

I hope Avid spends their R&D dollars on emerging technologies as opposed to wasting their resources on of dying technologies.

That's the real point, I would have thought.  Especially given the almost daily proliferation of new HD formats and compression schemes.

 I have ADSL broadband. that's up to 16Mbps depending on quality of the telephone line. Practically I get about 6-8 Mbps. Upgrading these telephone lines is a project that will take 10 to 20 years here in greece. Can you explian how I wil watch a HD stream in good quality thru that? 

The ones that want avid to improve quality on the upper side are perfectly right to want that but do not give an argument NOT to do it on the downside in this case...  I want flexibility from my editing app. I want to pay for that. Avids flexibility in it's Unity systems is the best on the market  That's why I spend money on that. But I want it to be compatible with the current and future video standards.... How difficult is it to understand that?  

jveekeres:

 I have ADSL broadband. that's up to 16Mbps depending on quality of the telephone line. Practically I get about 6-8 Mbps. Upgrading these telephone lines is a project that will take 10 to 20 years here in greece. Can you explian how I wil watch a HD stream in good quality thru that?

Broadband for the masses is an entirely different thread.

jveekeres:

The ones that want avid to improve quality on the upper side are perfectly right to want that but do not give an argument NOT to do it on the downside in this case...  I want flexibility from my editing app. I want to pay for that. Avids flexibility in it's Unity systems is the best on the market  That's why I spend money on that. But I want it to be compatible with the current and future video standards.... How difficult is it to understand that?  

It's not that I don't understand the desire to get the most out your edit system.  I certainly would use an import function that allowed pulling material off DVD.  But I think it's far too late in the game to request this feature.  Look at the Auto manufacturers, they are designing cars for destined for the market 5 - 15 years from now.  The television industry doesn't look quite that far down the road, but they do look forward.  The DVD format is a mature format.  It's the beginning of the end for DVD.  Five years from now the DVD format will still be around, but it will no longer be the primary means of delivering content.  Ten years from now the format will be as obscure as 8 track tape is today.  With that in mind why should the software engineers spend the time and money on a format that's on the decline?  Looking backwards 5 years, in 2003 a thread like this might have gotten Avid's attention.  But then again five years ago the cost of MC was much more than $2500 and it was more common to ingest from Betacam or Digibetacam than it was to pull something off DVD.  For what it's worth - Digibetacam is also a format that's on its last days.

 

Haze:

The DVD format is a mature format.  It's the beginning of the end for DVD.  Five years from now the DVD format will still be around, but it will no longer be the primary means of delivering content.

The same applied for DV five years ago, and yet you can't seriously sell even a top level product like avid MC without DV support. Although there are new technologies emerging and even rising and shining now, there's still a broad mass of dvd footage around, and it will stay for at least another decade, as have the compact disks that i bought in the early eighties.

And if Avid could adopt HDV, which is in essence hardly more than DVDs MPEG2 format pushed to its limits, i believe it can't be too much of an effort to support main-level mpeg2 as well.

The vast majority of MC editors won't need it, but it won't harm them either. Yet some people spend considerable amounts of time (a.k.a. money) waiting for a clients footage crawling to multiple stages of transcoding.

BLKDOG:

 

Then it is very possible that the Avid software is not for you. No NLE can be all things to all people and the professional who relies on only one tool in the tool belt is destined to be disappointed in some way. In the history of our craft, it has always been a fact of life that the professional assembles an array of tools to handle the clients needs thrown at them. Only in the last ten years has this "all in one" mindset been fomented and has lead to a lot of teeth gnashing when the suggestion is made to look in another direction to solve a problem.

 

Pure poetry! You are going to be a great poet!

 Only in the last ten years has this "all in one" mindset been fomented and has lead to a lot of teeth gnashing when the suggestion is made to look in another direction to solve a problem.

So as you copied from kingIONESCU. the "all in one" mindset (described by me as the new thinking) started 10 years ago, is growing and is the future. Thank you very much BLKDOG.

The fact that I believe this does not mean that I do not look in other directions for solutions. I will never stop doing that. This is "the now" and I have to work with it. But I will keep suggesting improvements.to MC.

jveekeres:

 Only in the last ten years has this "all in one" mindset been fomented and has lead to a lot of teeth gnashing when the suggestion is made to look in another direction to solve a problem.

So as you copied from kingIONESCU. the "all in one" mindset (described by me as the new thinking) started 10 years ago, is growing and is the future. Thank you very much BLKDOG.

 

Jeroen:  No offense intended, but as that was king's only post in this thread and he was quoting from a previous post by BLKDOG, how do you see that as BLKDOG copying from king?

 

Larry Rubin:

as that was king's only post in this thread

Note that it's King's only post ever on this forum!

 

Kenton.VanNatten:

Larry Rubin:

as that was king's only post in this thread

Note that it's King's only post ever on this forum!

 

I am so angry on the MC interface that I refrain myself from posting. With my previous post I meant that Avid people, instead of sorting out serious, fundamental problems that MC has they try to convince people that the good way is as they present it. When I saw New Thinking with all bla bla bla about "listening to you" I thought something is gonna change: more import flexibility and a friendlier interface (among other stringent improvements). MC looks like they have not touched this programm for decades: primitive interface(both visually and functionally) and lots of basic troubles. And here comes the advertising poet: It is not for you, do not buy it! Next, please! Keep it like this!

 

I refrain myself from further postings. I better take a beer!

 

Speaking of floppy: Intel still produces top range MB that need a floppy to boot or install a driver. Is not floppy dead as the poet said? Does Intel own a floppy factory?

 

To sum it up.

The thread start with a request to Avid for supporting ChaseCam PDR, a solid state personal Digital Recorder. The requester use it in conjunction with a ChaseCam bullet camera. The broadcasts of F1 use also these bullet cameras, but do they use the solid state recorders, or is they transmitted directly to the controll room and recorded to a standard broadcast tape or filesystem?

My first question is, which systems use the F1 broadcaster who got it works?

As I understand it, the requester want ot import the files, not edit them (that is using them as native editing format).

My second question is, can You playback them with QuickTime?

If I know Avids importfunction rigth, which I do not know if I do, Avid use QT for import of non timecode files. The problem maybe that Quick Time do not support these files, as I understand, FCP will nether import these file direct. Silvers choice is to make some transformations, and there has been some advices in this thread. You may also test Sorenson Squeez, I do not know if it import mpeg-2, or Canopus Procoder for batch transformations.

As the tread states, there is lots of different file/video format in the past and today. One common sulution has been that You have to make some transformation between formats. E.g. in the early days of DV25, You had to import the video as uncompressed.

To me, a professional format have the opertunity to playback the source as component video of uncompressed video. I may add DV25 to this list because it is the most common standard video format we have since the component video. Professional formats is equal parts quality as workflow.

 

I appologize. I wrongly read that BLKDOG copied from king.

 My possition on the topic the same.

 

Ok, I went and told him that the materal on the server was unacceptable, Should I now tell CNN that the news packages that we download from them every day in the MPEG 2 format are unacceptable?

BLKDOG:

silver101:

I am here today to show you proof that we , The best EDITORS in the world, need a mpeg2 import, directly into our Best Editor.

No, you, the best editor in the world need that. I, your humble butt in the chair, do not. I would rather Avid focus on the higher quality stuff. See? Two different points of view, that's all.

J_schinderlin56:

he says  "That's ridiculous, Vegas can import an MPEG". 

And, if you were editing a wedding video, Vegas and MPEG 2 would be fine but, since you are a broadcast facility with, I would suppose, some quality standards, you need more than this. So, tell him the server is not acceptable quality... I would. However, I'm not in your situation so, it's wrong of me to presume.

You too are able to import MPEG 2 into your Avid. So, take the file from your server, run it through MPEG Streamclip and import it. It really is not a problem, especially for a 30 sec spot. Take less than a minute.

 

 P.S. He really liked the part about editing wedding videos on vegas, this after he won a Telly Award for the music show he did on Vegas

J_schinderlin56:

Should I now tell CNN that the news packages that we download from them every day in the MPEG 2 format are unacceptable?

 

If you think CNN is bad, you should see the absolute crap we have to work with day in and day out from CBS Newspath. But once again, we have no choice - that's our source for footage, however they intend to send it, no matter how bad it looks with everything tinted heavily green, and more often than not with NO NAT SOUND. But, you gotta do what cha gotta do to get the job done.

 Yes, I remember newspath AGGGGG....

It always looked like it had been dubbed to VHS and back 2 or three times, then encoded to

MPEG 2.