Everytime I try and grade a clip that's part of a 'group clip' I get an error saying I have to 'Step into nested effects to grade' and it won't allow for a grade to happen, even if you try and step in (which of course you can't).

Only workaround I've found is to apply a CC effect (rather than a 'relationship CC') and that's seems to work.

There's a few other bugs I've noticed, maybe we should start a Bug thread...?

This one was recorded and reproduced toward the end of Beta. Avid is on it.

Until it is fixed, here is the workaround:

Here's a workaround for you. Please follow the steps exactly.

1. open the console

2. type "enablecommitmulticam" then press enter.

3. Right click on your edited sequence in the bin.

4. Select "Commit Multicam Edits" from the menu.

RESULT:  A copy of your sequence will be made with a  ".NoGroups.Copy.01"

appended to the end.

5. Load that sequence and you should be able to use relationships as well as not having to use the CC effect.

You will still have your original sequence with the grouped clips as well.

Thanks guys, good to know there on it and that there's a workaround.

Group clips seem to be a bit of an issue at the minute.  On this and my Adrenaline 2.8 although the shots would conform, they wouldn't 'link' to the clip so had to be manually cut in.  Not sure if I was the only one experiencing this...

Ra-ey Saleh:

Everytime I try and grade a clip that's part of a 'group clip' I get an error saying I have to 'Step into nested effects to grade' and it won't allow for a grade to happen, even if you try and step in (which of course you can't).

We are seeing this here in our lab here at Avid. Our plan is to fix this in an upcoming point release.

Ra-ey Saleh:

There's a few other bugs I've noticed

If the issues are related to color correction, please post them here. Otherwise, post them in a new thread.

Thanks,

- Rob

Thanks Rob, will do.

Does anyone else feel comforted by the fact that someone at Tewksbury is repsonding directly to posts?

Liking this 'New Thinking' a lot.

Ra-ey Saleh:

Does anyone else feel comforted by the fact that someone at Tewksbury is repsonding directly to posts?

Actually, Rob has been responding in here since the beginning of the Symphony Nitris release. I would credit that to Marianna and Rob not the "new thinking."

Also noticed that if you have a CC on a Motion Effect, then try and open the Effects Editor for the Motion Effect (say to change the Motion Type) it won't let you.  You have to take the CC off to access it again.

Yep, that bug also got recorded during Beta.

If you press the motion effect button with the record side active it will bring up the motion effect editor.  This is how I've seen some people get around this problem (though I don't remember if it was Symphony or not).

Alan, that workaround doesn't work in this case, but thanks for the help.

Actually, it does. open the motion effect editor. Then open the color corrector leaving the motion effect editor open. Now you can apply CC and twiddle the motion effect while in the CC.

Now, for the the most important part! Save this as your color correction workspace. Now every time you open the CC your motion effect editor will open also. Problem solved.

This behavior (I'm not calling it a bug) has been there since the beginning of Symphony Nitris. Here is what is happening. Now the CC is treated as an effect to be handled in CPU land as opposed to a set of directions to a downstream CC chip. The motion effect is also treated as an effect. So you now have an impossibility in Avid land, a clip with two effects applied!

"But I always nest effects" you say. True, but these aren't nested. So they are two things inhabiting the same space and time. We know that shouldn't happen. ;-)

No you open the effect editor and it has a problem. It has to choose between the two effects. "Which one should I show" it asks. Here is where the bad coding choice was made in my opinion. It should show the motion effect, but instead it shows the CC. Since you can't manipluate the CC in the effect editor, this is just a waste. 

But I've pointed this out before and it hasn't been changed. As with so many other requests for features and fixes to the CC, it just isn't important to enough users to warrant the resources.

Thanks for taking the time for the explanation, makes complete sense, if annoying.

Unfortunately, on my system it doesn't quite work the way you explain.

Whilst in Source/Record mode, if I click on the Effects Editor (of a clip with a Motion Effect and a CC), the Effects Editor opens, but shows a CC icon (as if I applied a CC effect from the mage Tab which I haven't).  If I press the Effects Editor again, nothing happens.

You're right in the sense that if I take the CC off, open the Motion Effects Editor and leave it open, then re-apply the CC, the Motion Effects Editor stays open and is editable.

It's not the end of the world, but it seems that sometimes the Avid sees certain CC as 'Effects' rather than a 'Correction' if you know what I mean.

An example (and is something else that I've noticed) is that when in CC mode, in a Master Cllp Relationship, if I drag a template into a bin, then drag in onto the "monitor" of another clip, it often becomes a CC Effect (I get the icon on the clip and the relationship now says 'CC Effect').  However, if I drag the same template directly onto the clip, it remembers that it was in fact a Master Clip grade.

Maybe it's just my machine, and is easily workround-able.  Just thought I'd mention it.

Ra-ey Saleh:

An example (and is something else that I've noticed) is that when in CC mode, in a Master Cllp Relationship, if I drag a template into a bin, then drag in onto the "monitor" of another clip, it often becomes a CC Effect (I get the icon on the clip and the relationship now says 'CC Effect').  However, if I drag the same template directly onto the clip, it remembers that it was in fact a Master Clip grade.

Here's another tip to speed you up. Map the "save color correction" button to your keyboard. I mapped it Shift + S on my CC keyboard setup. This will save the correction to the last bin activated. Now make a bin for CCs. As you go along, if there is one you want to save, just hit the key. Bang, it shows up in the bin with the clip name as it's name.

Now when you want to use it later, drop it in one of the buckets and that way you can apply it with any source relationship you choose.

Now if they would just allow us to map the source relationships to the keyboard.... (Another long ignored request)

Ra-ey Saleh:

Whilst in Source/Record mode, if I click on the Effects Editor (of a clip with a Motion Effect and a CC), the Effects Editor opens, but shows a CC icon (as if I applied a CC effect from the mage Tab which I haven't).  If I press the Effects Editor again, nothing happens.

Try using on the Motion Effect command in Source Record or Effects mode:

This should bring up the Motion Effects editor, even with clips with CC releationships.

- Rob