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  • Sun, Jun 15 2008 9:56 PM In reply to

    Re: Pan and Scan HD in SD

    This is what I've done to use HD size video in and SD project. 

     

    Start and HD project, capture the footage you want to resize at HD, if you are using HDV then transcode to DNxHD.

    Open the shot you want in the source window and mark in/out the part you want. Then create a subclip of it by dragging it from the source window to the bin.  Then create a QT reference of that shot onto your desktop (or where ever).  Then switch the project over to 30i.  Now cut the shot you want into the timeline (this is just for a placeholder). Drop a Boris Red (or Avid FX or Boris FX) 1 input effect onto the shot.  Open the effect editor and open the Boris interface.  In the Boris timeline click on the V1 icon to change track media to Movie File. Navigate to the QT reference you created and choose it.  Then when it comes into Boris it will still be HD size. You can now pan and scan it all you want without losing resoluton.  Hit apply to return to the avid timeline and render. 

     

    I know it's not simple, but it should work out just fine for you.

     

    good luck

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  • Sun, Jun 15 2008 10:47 PM In reply to

    • luca.mg
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    Re: Pan and Scan HD in SD

    jef:
    It all depends on what you do.

    Jef, if You're editing spots I'm with You. Take care

     

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  • Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:38 AM In reply to

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    Re: Pan and Scan HD in SD

    I see that the new version of Grass Valley/Canopus Edius Pro (v5) provides facility for keyframeable panning and scanning of the full HD raster within SD projects - in direct response to customer requests, I might add.

    Come on, Avid, you're being left behind again by those you once wrote off as 'mickey mouse' outfits.

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  • Wed, Sep 24 2008 11:37 AM In reply to

    • jwrl
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    Re: Pan and Scan HD in SD

    I see NASA landed a man on the moon in the '60s.

    Come on, Avid, you're being left behind again by those you once wrote off as 'mickey mouse' outfits.

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  • Wed, Sep 24 2008 10:58 PM In reply to

    • Blofelds Cat
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    Re: Pan and Scan HD in SD

    jwrl:

    I see NASA landed a man on the moon in the '60s.

    Come on, Avid, you're being left behind again by those you once wrote off as 'mickey mouse' outfits.

    Yes, quite hilarious ...I suppose.

    However, now that I've performed emergency surgery on my sides, I feel confident saying that both of us know perfectly well what issue is being discussed.

    'Avid', once the name in Pro Non-linear Editing, has been notoriously slow to respond not only to customer feedback regarding practical operability and feature set of its 'pro' editing packages but also to its declining market share in a field wherein it would otherwise still dominate had it not adopted the same sort of corporate 'brand' arrogance that has been the death-knell of countless 'effective monopoly' company's.

    While Avid aren't stuck in "the 60's", they are, nevertheless, stuck in the last decade of the 20th Century, wherein Avid appears to perceive that their only competitor is a consumer application called Adobe Premiere Pro.

    Here in the first decade of the 21st Century, there are significantly more teams in the league (on myriad levels of meaning). Grass Valley, having already garnered an impressive market share of the so-called consumer, prosumer and professional markets (in the space of only a few years, I hasten to add), are now well placed as the emerging dominant provider of fully integrated NLE systems in the Broadcast arena.

    My original comment re: panning and scanning of the full HD raster within an SD project is not, as your exceedingly droll but nonetheless limited imagination suggests, a minor feature but more a powerful facility which allows an Editor to artistically manipulate a moving image, without the introduction of artefacts, in ways which Avid can only achieve with 'still' images.

    So do please 'mock on' if you must but don't fool yourself, for even a moment, that creative features such as the aforementioned are as 'mickey mouse' as Avid might wish the consumer (no matter at what level one works in the Edit industry, we are all basically mere 'consumers' of product) to believe.

    Still, thanks for your side-splitting observational humour. I haven't laughed so hard and for so long since that astronaut took a pratfall on the moon in the 1970s.

     

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  • Thu, Sep 25 2008 1:09 AM In reply to

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    Re: Pan and Scan HD in SD

    There was a point to my post, and it wasn't to make a rather weak joke.

    I come less and less to the forums, partly because I'm getting bored with the hijacking of threads to make comments about Avid's perceived poor performance simply because they don't meet a particular user's needs.  As far as I'm concerned, if this is a feature that you need, post it in the appropriate place.  If you can't be bothered doing that, get yourself the editing tool that you need.

    I for one don't see the need to pan and scan on high def in a SD frame as a "creative feature".  That's because I've been working exclusively in HD for the last three years.  To me, it isn't a need - it isn't even relevant.

    There are other things that Avid doesn't do in HD that I wish they would, but for that I get the appropriate tools.  And that may mean using Edius, Premiere or FCP.  For compositing, I've never bothered with Avid, although recent releases of Boris have meant that a lot of the effects I used to do routinely in AE I will now do in Avid.  When Avid can't do something I need I find something else that will.

    So if you need this ability, go to the suggestions forum and  post there.

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  • Thu, Sep 25 2008 1:31 AM In reply to

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    Re: Pan and Scan HD in SD

     I think people get used to a set of tools and always have a wish list - "If only my tools did **** then they'd be perfect..."

    I'm used to being able to perform resolution independent editing (even in native HDV) and frame-rate independent editing using Avid's little known product we call Liquid (now owned by Pinnacle which is owned by Avid).

    I'm going to try the Boris RED approach and see if that works...

    Cheers

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  • Tue, Oct 21 2008 2:00 AM In reply to

    • Brickwad
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    Re: Pan and Scan HD in SD

    BarkinMadd:

    I'm going to try the Boris RED approach and see if that works...

    Cheers

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