Okay,

I am shooting a feature film in June for a client.  I own a HVX200 and a firestore 100 with 160 gig memory. 

The client wants to shoot on 1080p/23.976 and edit on that format. The client also wants to import some separate footage that is on a HDV 1080i/60 tape and edit that footage on the same 1080p/23.976 timeline.

The deliverables are as follows

HDCAM 1080p/23.976
Digital Betacam NTSC 29.97 (4x3 and 16x9)
DVD ntsc
HDV 1080i/60 tape as a backup

A) Okay so i shoot on the HVX200 24pA - i load in the footage via my firestore to my computer's hard drive. I make a copy of the footage on a separte drive. I then use Raylight MXFX to do a pulldown removal on the MXF files.
B) I open up AVID and start editing in 1080p/23.98

now
1) How do i bring in a HDV 1080i/60 (which was originally shot on a HVX200 but was backed up on a HDV tape shot at 24p non-advanced) and bring it into 1080p/23.976?
2) How do i create Digibeta NTSC copies from a 1080p/23.976 timeline? Essentially renting a HDCAM deck and having it export to a Digital Beta tape deck? But won't i need some form of cross converter to have a NTSC Digibeta copy from a 1080p/23.976 HDCAM tape player?
3) Is there a way through Sorenson Squeeze to create a NTSC DVD off of a 1080p/23.976 timeline with little or no jidder or frame lags? I would need this DVD to show the client, before i make an HDCAM output so he can approve the output before i rent the deck.

ALOT of questions i know, but it seems that there are so many different formats that clients ask for and i am always trying to come up with the best way to deliver a solid product to a client.

Thanx,

Zack

1. Bring it in in its native format. Then follow this.

If you can afford it, on the online, do a selects reel of the 1080i footage and get it hardware converted to 23.976p. Eye match it in.

2. You need a Mojo DX, Adrenaline, etc. It has a downconvert feature.

3. Yes. You can create a DVD with Sorenson Squeeze.

 Hmm what if i go the other way.  Bring in the shot footage at 1080i/60  from the Firestore - bring in the HDV footage 1080i/60 on a 1080i/59.94 project.  I could do a video mixdown and convert the HDV material to DNxHD 115 from that

1) output via Sorenson Squeeze to a DVD NTSC

2) Output to HDV deck for a 1080i/60 Tape.

3) Use the HDV deck to output a 16x9 and 4x3 Digibeta copies

4) then use the Frame Rate Conversion (which you linked) - Apply the footage and do a removal of the pulldown and export the film to a 1080p/23.976 project.

Or do you suggest always to keep it in NATIVE and go the other way.  Will this cause any frame lags or judders issues either way (24 to 60 or 60 to 24) with using timewarp?

thanx that link is TREMENDOUS.  Helps a great deal.  You're the best.

Zack

 Okay there is a problem.  When i speed up the image (from 1080/59.94) using timewarp (pulldown removal) and export the file into 1080p/23.976 the image is still sped up.  Why is this?  Do I need to reset my import and export settings?  What would be the recommended settings for this action.

thanx,

Zack

Yes you can transcode it to DNxHD.

Yes you can downconvert from HDV to Digibeta. BTW - if you have a Mojo SDI you can also make a downconvert straight form your 1080/24p timeline. You need to change the 'Format' settings of the project to 23.976p NTSC.

Regarding your 24p QT - no. You should have sped it 125%. then import that via QT Reference in to 23.976p project. The import should reduce it by 25%.

 Hmmm the part where i really seem to be missing is essentially I am a little lost on the 24p conversion link section.

I have applied the Timewarp effect

where is "Render Using" menu?

that gives me a "Formats" menu where i can select "Interlace" input and "progressive" as "Output"??? (i guess that is the real question)

Where is the speed graph?

I know i definetely have to change the interlace to progressive before i speed up the image. Correct?  Essentially all i am doing right now, is speeding up the image (interlaced) 125% and outputting or rendering a 125% sped up interlaced file/clip.  This is why when i either do "Pulldown removal" in timewarp or motion effect in a clip it essentially just speeds up the image 125%.  So for me - the way i am doing it - the image remains sped up in 1080/59.94 and in 1080p/23.976.  There is somewhere in AVID menu where i select "interlace" input to "progressive" output.  Where is that?  I am pulling what little hair i have left :) out for this option.  Again i am editing on a Xpress Pro 5.6.3 - is there something i need to update?

any ideas?

Z

I just realized you are on XPro which has only canned FluidMotion and not the full one like in MC.

 Mmmmmmmmm does that mean that i can not do pulldown removals to from 59.94 to 23.98? I know there is a option in timewarp that says "pulldown" which immediately speeds up the shoot to 125%.  The link on 24p.com did mention something to the effect that there was something similar in Xpress.  Just wondering :) If you or anyone you know how this could be accomplished - it would be greatly appreciated.

:)

thank you greatly for all of your assitance.

Zack

I'm not in front of an XPro right now so I can't confirm if there preset (canned) setting to convert 30i to 23.976p. That is what you are looking for.

 Correct, something in which i can convert 30i to 23.976 and then edit the footage in 1080p/23.976.  There is an option for pulldown removal, which speeds up the clip/sequence to 125%, but i can not see where the option in editig is to change the clip/sequence from integrated to progressive.  If i just drag the effect (Timewarp Pulldown Removal) onto the clip (render) and export (Quicktime ref out of 1080i/60) and import into 1080p/23.976.  The image clip/sequence in 1080p/23.976 still is sped up and has the "keystone cops" stuttery imagery to boot.  There has to be some form of option function in Xpress Pro that allows one to change the clips from integrated to pulldown. 

If you could find anything on this...that would be spectacular.

:)

thanx,

Zack

 Okay, today/tonight i have access to a AVID composer this week.  I am still having the same problem.  I have changed the format from interlaced to Progressive using the Motion effect icon after applying the pulldown removal effect in Timewarp.  I export the file (using marks only on video) into a quicktime reference file.  I close my 1080i/60 project and open my 1080p/23.98 project.  I import the "Pulldown Removal" file into a bin.  The file/clip/sequence is still 125% faster and jerky.  Still confused as to why this is not working.

Any advice?

Zack