Last week I checked MC3.0 and there's no sign of a proper, during-capture inverse telecine - will this *ever* be implemented? Did anyone notice at Avid that now you can get a pretty decent quality HDV Canon etc for B-roll from $1k...? It's there for NTSC, why is it such a pain to put in for HD as well?

Pulldown removal is not only available in competing products like Canopus, Adobe (via Cineform), Apple etc but you can do it with freely downloadable tools. It's just plain lame it's still not there in *any* Avid.

Avid apparently talks the talk but doesn't really walk anywhere - instead of chasing mode isn't it time to switch to preemptive mode?

Is the pulldown removal real time during capture or is it a seperate step (a la Log and Capture + Compressore in FCP) for Edius, Cineform, and FCP?

My guess, it is a pain in HD because you are handling more data thus the overhead is much bigger. With HDV's long GOP structure it means you need to decompress the signal first in order to get the proper frames, remove redundant fields, if standard pulldown - reverse 2 fields, and then combine them and then conform back to a proper HDV stream..

It can be done with DVC Pro HD's 720/24p format because the frame structure are all I-Frames and the camera actually flags the frames for you.

Edit: Looking at Cineform - it seems they can do real time via their Intermediate codec.

FCP I know is Log and Capture + Compressor.

Edius? Have not checked.

kamm:

Last week I checked MC3.0 and there's no sign of a proper, during-capture inverse telecine - will this *ever* be implemented? Did anyone notice at Avid that now you can get a pretty decent quality HDV Canon etc for B-roll from $1k...? It's there for NTSC, why is it such a pain to put in for HD as well?

Pulldown removal is not only available in competing products like Canopus, Adobe (via Cineform), Apple etc but you can do it with freely downloadable tools. It's just plain lame it's still not there in *any* Avid.

Avid apparently talks the talk but doesn't really walk anywhere - instead of chasing mode isn't it time to switch to preemptive mode?

If this is all true, I hope someone in mgmt is reading your comment and will give you a response that includes a simple NO/Never or YES/when, (but if history is any guide, we expect that won't happen- certainly not here where actual customers with actual needs might provide valuable feedback and requests)

It would only make Avid look better if they offered some kind of Canon HV-series Release Note/Tutorial/Explanation/Helping hand to the hundreds of Canon HV "24p mode" users that want to edit their potentially-24P footage in Media Composer in a 23.97 Project. 

What happens when the naive editor that assumes Avid is king and can handle any digital format, especially one thats now in a 2nd generation (first HV20, now HV30)?- How many hours will Avid customers spend re-doing their Captures into 3rd Party solutions in order to perform the needed pulldown removal? How many of them will be disillusioned seeing how easy it is for "lesser" software packages to do the job?.

p.s. besides the Canon cold-shoulder, how did you like 3.0?

Avid does have White Papers on all the supported cameras:

<http://www.avid.com/resources/whitepapers/>

There is a detailed list of supported devices in the Knowledge Base: <http://tinyurl.com/595p48>

In 3.0 there's native support for the JVC 24p HDV cameras both via firewire and rewrap of the M2T files from a Firestore.

At this point for the Canon camera I recommend using the Convergent Design HD-Connect SI DV Bridge or  alternatively files from the Convergent Design Flash XDR should work.

Thanks for trying to help, but the supported devices list and whitepapers you posted do not include mention of the Canon HV20 or HV30 cameras. I don't understand how the JVC support impacts the main question- that's not clear to me.

What would be really great is if you could focus your fellow avid angels on this particular Canon HV-series 24P issue. Please coax them into considering the win-win value of having avid software do what the competition's software already can, namely firewire capture with simultaneous pulldown removal for Canon HV series cameras, and others. (http://tinyurl.com/5le5wb). Plain & simple, that is the request.

btw, The Convergent product you suggested does not advertise being able to remove Canon's HV-series 24P-mode pulldown frames on the fly from the camera's 30i HDV output. Even if it did do that, the gear outputs an SD/HD SDI signal. I don't see how that helps anyone needing to capture HV20 or HV30 24P mode footage via firewire into a basic Software-only Media Composer.

Thank you Bob, you're doing God's work. Please let us know what you can find out in terms of support.

 A long-time supporter of AVID here, and a very happy owner of a Canon HV-30.

I don't have much else to add to the conversation other than my name on this 'petition' for getting Avid's butt in gear so I can capture some of my beautiful 24p HDV footage.  I'm waiting.

is there any progress on the hv20/30 24p removal front. It's the only footage I use, which means, I have to capture through fcp. Which is good cause it keeps my fcp skills sharp. But it'd be so nicer to capture into avid and have all the benfits that come along with doing so.