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  • Thu, May 15 2008 4:45 PM

    • Divebum
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    Some supers look bad, others look awesome

     

    I am working on a simple 4 minute video.  Mostly motion control stills and supers.  Simple simple.  All supers are treated the same. 1920x1080 png, non-interlaced.  Half of the supers look awesome the other half look terrible.  By terrible I mean they have an unstable fuzzy edge to them.  Now here is the crazy part.  Some I can reimport, same settings, replace the bad one and it's fine.  Others it doesn't matter what I do they still look bad.  Here's another crazy thing, some of the supers have been resized or cropped and if you move their position even one pixel it actually either fixes the problem or the direction of the fuzziness changes.  Basically, I can take a simple super over the top of footage and if looks bad, I can position it differently and it MIGHT look good.

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  • Thu, May 15 2008 5:11 PM In reply to

    Re: Some supers look bad, others look awesome

     

    Resizing titles can be an issue.  The Avid's regular DVE was never the greatest at doing that.  But, there are some workarounds.

    - You have found one of them...try raising the effect up or down by one scan line at a time.  You'll find one that will be sharper than the others.

    - Try promoting the effect to HQ (which will require rendering) but it will be a 10-bit effect.

    - Make sure you are in Full Quality (green/green mode).

    For the cleanest keys, I use the Avid's repo for offline, export a reference still, then resize and reposition the supers in After Effects and Photoshop and reimport them with no resize or repo on Avid's part.  This is especially good when the source image is an EPS file, which the Avid can't rasterize like the Adobe products can.

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  • Thu, May 15 2008 5:32 PM In reply to

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    Re: Some supers look bad, others look awesome

     Hey Kevin,

    Thank you for the feedback.  Most of your work around applies to the resized supers.  But what about the supers that are not moved or resized.  I position them in photoshop, import, insert into timeline and some of those have the same degradated poor appearance.  Then, SOMETIMES if I reimport them, with the same settings, re-insert, they are fine.  There seems to be no rhyme or reason to the problem.

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  • Thu, May 15 2008 6:03 PM In reply to

    Re: Some supers look bad, others look awesome

    What are your import settings?  What resolution are you working at?  Can you post a sample still?

     

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  • Thu, May 15 2008 8:45 PM In reply to

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    Re: Some supers look bad, others look awesome

     We have tried every import setting possible including the ones we knew for sure wouldn't work, but tried them out of desparity.  We are working in widescreen SD 864x486. I've been trying to get an accurate screen shot for you, but when I export a full 2 field frame it looks absolutely terrible because the fields are battling and when I only export a single filed of it you can't see the distortion. 

    STUCK.

     

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  • Thu, May 15 2008 10:26 PM In reply to

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    Re: Some supers look bad, others look awesome

    Your original post says "All supers are treated the same. 1920x1080 png, non-interlaced. ", your last post says "We are working in widescreen SD 864x486." Have you tried creating the original art work the same image size as the video project you are working in? Then when you import make sure it is not resizing or cropping the image on the way in and make sure the import settings are set as non-interlace.

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  • Fri, May 16 2008 5:01 PM In reply to

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    Re: Some supers look bad, others look awesome

     Hi Divebum

    Despite the quality of a screen shot, would you be so kind to post an example.

    I second Rud One, why do you mention 2 kind of resolutions, moreover what is this "SD 864x486" resolution ? 

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  • Fri, May 16 2008 5:40 PM In reply to

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    Re: Some supers look bad, others look awesome

     Sorry if that wasn't clear.  All suppers are created in Photoshop at 1920x1080, larger than working resolution to allow for enlarging the image in AVID.  AVID's widesreen (16:9), for some reason, is 864x486.  So, basically, I am importing a 1920x1080 phg into a widescreen SD project.  And yes, we have tried originating the png at 864x486 and any other size possible and the reults are the same.

    After more testing we do notice significant changes to the quality of the super if it is shifted up, down, left or right even a pixel or 2.  Sometimes better quality, sometimes worse.

    I feel like this is going to be another "AVID sensitivity" issue.

    Thank you.

     

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  • Fri, May 16 2008 5:45 PM In reply to

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    Re: Some supers look bad, others look awesome

     

    This is the 1920x1080 NON-INTERLACED image.  Thank you. 

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  • Fri, May 16 2008 6:19 PM In reply to

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    Re: Some supers look bad, others look awesome

     Sorry, strike that last.  The image is actually a non-interlaced export from AVID, hence 864x486.

    Thank you.

     

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  • Fri, May 16 2008 6:26 PM In reply to

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    Re: Some supers look bad, others look awesome

     I am not aware of any other NTSC SD project resolution than 720 X 486, Pal would be 720 X 576.

    If you wanna do widescreen, you'll treat anamorphic "normal" pictures resolutions. Avid never will accept any zoom into a larger picture than it's own project resolution. Only Pan&Zoom, Moving Picture or any other P&Z plug in like Boris or Move, will allow you to do this. Otherwise, I may recommend you to export pictures with square pixels from Photoshop, and then select square pictures as import setings. But there is no need to oversize a still you'll import directly into Avid. In Pal square pictures are 768 X 576, (wide screen or not), but the way you'll view widescreen or not will only affect your monitors. In an Avid SD project, there is no difference between 16/9 and 4/3, only the way you'll set your monitors will change,.whatever your Avid program monitors or even external monitors.

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  • Fri, May 16 2008 7:55 PM In reply to

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    Re: Some supers look bad, others look awesome

     I agree with the Pan & Zoom for enlarging.  The issue becomes in the middle of an edit if the client says, "can we make that a bit bigger", I like to have the option of P&Z right then and there vs. having to go back to an original file and redoing the entire thing.  But, that's a different issue because we have tried 720x486 images as well.  Now, just to remind you, this is not everytime.  The video being edited right now has over 120 supers in it and only 6 gave me issues and 3 of them were fix by a simple re-import.  The other 3 I just cannot get clean to save my life.

    Thank you.

    p.s. the 864x486 is the square px. 16:9 export from AVID.  That's what I was referring to.  Sorry.

     

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