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  • Tue, May 13 2008 11:14 PM

    • editz
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    Avid and XDCamEX

    Perhaps somebody official from Avid should add a comment to this article.  You guys kind of get knocked for not having "native" support, and the author implies you cannot currently use MC products to edit this format.  FCP can use EX with Sony's clip browser...just like Avid, right?

    http://library.creativecow.net/articles/reeve_dylan/xdcamex.php

     

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  • Wed, May 14 2008 8:34 PM In reply to

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    Re: Avid and XDCamEX

    Using the Sony Clip Browser software, the MP4 files can be rewrapped as MXF files and imported into the Avid. This is a tutorial I did:

    <http://community.avid.com/blogs/training/archive/2008/01/28/sony-xdcam-ex-with-the-avid-media-composer.aspx>

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  • Wed, May 14 2008 8:38 PM In reply to

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    Re: Avid and XDCamEX

    There is a lot of erroneous info in that article. Including about Sony and FCP. Seems like it was written last year.

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  • Wed, May 28 2008 11:28 AM In reply to

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    Re: Avid and XDCamEX

    I wrote that - it was written last year and sat unpublished until recently when I sent in a few updates to reflect the release of the EX3, unfortunately I didn't have time to revisit all the NLE support issues.

    Some of that has been made clear in the comments on the article.

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  • Wed, May 28 2008 1:14 PM In reply to

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    Re: Avid and XDCamEX

     The text on the spec. of MC3 indicates it will support HDCAM EX natively, is it true or is it just a way the marketing department to describe the actural workflow?

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  • Wed, May 28 2008 1:28 PM In reply to

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    Re: Avid and XDCamEX

    berga:
    or is it just a way the marketing department to describe the actual workflow?

    A little of both. It will be supported but  you will still have to use Sony's clip browser to get MXF files.

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  • Wed, May 28 2008 9:12 PM In reply to

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    Re: Avid and XDCamEX

    It is really bizarre that Sony decided to use MPEG-4 to wrap XDCAM EX instead of MXF when there is (as far as I can tell) no NLE application at all that supports it natively. FCP requires that the files be re-wrapped as MOV files, and for Avid it's necesarry to re-wrap as MXF, even Sony's own Vegas requires the MXF wrapped version.

    I asked a few Sony people at the local product launch last year, no one knew why.

     

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  • Fri, May 30 2008 2:30 AM In reply to

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    Re: Avid and XDCamEX

     XDCAM EX is not made in the same division at XDCAM HD, thus the inconsistency in format wrapping.

     

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  • Fri, May 30 2008 4:15 AM In reply to

    Re: Avid and XDCamEX

    A little like Avid and Protools only occassionally getting completely on the same page perhaps Michael?

  • Fri, May 30 2008 11:53 AM In reply to

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    Re: Avid and XDCamEX

     Close! But at least MC and Pro Tools use the same wrappers!

     

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  • Thu, Jun 5 2008 1:53 AM In reply to

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    Re: Avid and XDCamEX

    You'd think they could fire an email back and forth

    From: XDCAM EX Devteam <exkicksbutt@sony.com>
    To: XDCAM HD Development <xdcamhddev@sony.com>
    Subject: Rappers!!!11eleven

    Hai guyz!

    Wat format r u rappin ur filez in?

     

    From: XDCAM HD Development <xdcamhddev@sony.com>
    To: XDCAM EX Devteam <exkicksbutt@sony.com>
    Subject: Re: Rappers!!!11eleven

    We've been using MXF, it enjoys wide industry support and is very flexible. We recommend you do the same.

     

    From: XDCAM EX Devteam <exkicksbutt@sony.com>
    To: XDCAM HD Development <xdcamhddev@sony.com>
    Subject: Re: Rappers!!!11eleven

    MXF?! LMAO!! Quiktime doesnt evn suport tht! My ipod plays mp4, we r gonna use that!

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  • Thu, Jun 5 2008 2:03 AM In reply to

    Re: Avid and XDCamEX

    That is pretty funny.

     

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  • Thu, Jun 5 2008 4:48 PM In reply to

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    Re: Avid and XDCamEX

    You wonder if Sony doesn't communicate well internally, or if they're still trying to create artificial barriers between pro and prosumer equipment.  Remember the days when nobody ever thought DV material was suitable for broadcast?  Why bother?  Just create a single wrapper and live with it.

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  • Thu, Jun 5 2008 5:01 PM In reply to

    Re: Avid and XDCamEX

    editz:
    Why bother?  Just create a single wrapper and live with it.
    Why think small? ONE WORLD WIDE HD STANDARD and frame rate and live with it.

     

  • Fri, Jun 6 2008 11:49 AM In reply to

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    Re: Avid and XDCamEX

    I can live with different framerates, a few anyway, lets say 24, 25 30, 50, 60 -- fairly easy to deal with.

    But god the formats, so many formats.

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