All I need is to preview HD on a client monitor. I was really hoping that Avid would give us this option at an affordable price. I am certainly not going to spend such a lot of money for a box that doesn't even have analog I/O's.

Here is what I am going to do. I'll wait and see if Avid comes to it's senses and includes analog I/O and drops the price to about half of what it is without the stupid service contract.

If not I'll buy a DVi splitter that will split the signal to my full screen playback monitor. Then I just need to buy a DVI to component converter. And there we go, HD on client monitor for under 150.- GBP (around 300.- US), just did a check for the components of this solution on the net!

As I said, I would buy a Mojo DX with analog I/O's at a sensible price. If not I'll give the idea above a try. If it works I'll post back with the solution for all my fellow avid editors that "ONLY WANT HD PREVIEW ON A CLIENT MONITOR" 

R.I.P Avid if this is new thinking... Where is the the low end product or is 10k considered low end?

No hd preview fro less than 10k what a joke.

Read this: 

http://community.avid.com/forums/t/57549.aspx

To me the price of Mojo DX  is too high and I hope Avid will re-think the pricing.

They say that They are listening to us so lets tell them to reduce the price.

Please Avid make it more affordable.

anto

art needs sacrifice

AquaPix:

Here is what I am going to do. I'll wait and see if Avid comes to it's senses and includes analog I/O and drops the price to about half of what it is without the stupid service contract.

And what if it actually cost Avid $5000 to build the Mojo DX hardware.... And if you cut the price in half, they're losing atleast $2500 dollars per unit.... Whereas if they charge $7500... they actually make a profit like every company on this planet. Also, remember that they have to include a host card (easily over $750-$1000) which is in addition to the Mojo DX box.

If you want more affordable, they're going to have to make a "Mojo DX Mini" or something and cut some of the specs of the Mojo DX. Something like:

Connectivity

Avid Mojo DX Mini

• SD and HD SDI I/O (combined connector)
• HDMI output
• 8 channels SDI embedded digital audio input
• 8 channels SDI embedded digital audio output
• 8 channels optical ADAT digital audio I/O
• 2 channels 1/4" TRS analog audio Input
• 2 channels 1/4" TRS analog audio Output
• Headphone stereo 3.5mm TRS output

 They could probably price a unit like that at $3500 or below

When the Mojo DX actually has:

Avid Mojo DX

• SD and HD SDI I/O (combined connector)
• HDMI output
• Reference Sync Black&Burst and HD TriLevel input (combined connector)
• 8 channels SD-SDI embedded digital audio I/O
• 8 channels HD-SDI embedded digital audio input
• 16 channels HD-SDI embedded digital audio output
• 2 channels optical S/PDIF digital audio I/O
• 8 channels optical ADAT digital audio I/O
• 2 channels XLR analog audio output
• 2 channels 1/4" TRS analog audio I/O
• Headphone stereo 3.5mm TRS output
• Wordclock output

Avid's editing interface rocks the house.  Avid is stable, is providing combined hardware & software solutions and doing extensive testing on MAC and HP for us.  I've realized as of late that It is SO WORTH paying a little extra even if we think it is high.

How long has it been since Apple really changed Final Cut besides adding on bells and whistles?  And they only have to deal with one OS - their own!

Apple could drop Final Cut at any moment and not even wince.  Avid's livelyhood depends on a stellar product, and they are takin' back that ground.

If we Avid people tell everyone we meet each day that Avid is on top and taking it over, guess what - that will turn into the truth of the matter.  Avid has to have us pushing and marketing.  They've got the foundation and the product and the new direction.  If we all jump on board it is a wrap.

Control the mob and you control Rome.  Brothers...what we do today echos into (Hollywood's)  eternity.

 See, herein lies the very problem. If Avid were to price the DX lower a lot more customers would purchase it. This would automatically bring down production costs! Everybody will be happy.

Bigger production facilities that can afford it will go for the Nitris DX and I believe that the Mojo DX holds very little value for them.

The actual market for the Mojo DX should have been the lower end, i.e. people that have used AXP with the standard or SDI Mojo and have now upgraded to MC. So let's be realistic for a moment and see where that leaves the Mojo DX. IMHO ...nowhere!

Again, if the prices were to be realistic they could really satisfy their lower end customers.

Is satisfaction across the board not what Avid should try to do with their "New Thinking"?

AquaPix:

 See, herein lies the very problem. If Avid were to price the DX lower a lot more customers would purchase it. This would automatically bring down production costs! Everybody will be happy.

Bigger production facilities that can afford it will go for the Nitris DX and I believe that the Mojo DX holds very little value for them.

The actual market for the Mojo DX should have been the lower end, i.e. people that have used AXP with the standard or SDI Mojo and have now upgraded to MC. So let's be realistic for a moment and see where that leaves the Mojo DX. IMHO ...nowhere!

Again, if the prices were to be realistic they could really satisfy their lower end customers.

Is satisfaction across the board not what Avid should try to do with their "New Thinking"?

 

 We're actually getting about 15 MC Mojo DX systems for our Assistant Editors for digitizing and logging..... then about 10 Nitris DX for our editors. I really think they should rename Mojo DX to Adrenaline DX and then add a Mojo DX with the specs that I listed above (as Mojo DX mini) and charge 50-60% of the current price.

I have found the MC on craigslist %60 off the original MSRP. No wonder.

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/for/641438431.html

All I need is to preview HD on a client monitor.

.- Is the same case of MANY people, incuding me.

Avid Mojo DX Mini

• SD and HD SDI I/O (combined connector)
• HDMI output
• 8 channels SDI embedded digital audio input
• 8 channels SDI embedded digital audio output
• 8 channels optical ADAT digital audio I/O
• 2 channels 1/4" TRS analog audio Input
• 2 channels 1/4" TRS analog audio Output
• Headphone stereo 3.5mm TRS output.
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.- What about the same Mojo, but without any inputs and analog component output with downconversion? Maybe analog inputs, just maybe, not a must.

I'd be more than happy with something like this.

Then I just need to buy a DVI to component converter.

-.I've been looking for a device like you describe.

I haven't found it.

Anyway, the full screen mode is low quality. ANY full screen mode of any app is low quality.

HDRebel88:

And what if it actually cost Avid $5000 to build the Mojo DX hardware....

Lol.  I guess you don't know much about hardware manufacturing.

You're not paying for the "hard goods" here.  You're paying for the R&D.  These days, boxes like the mojo are built from off the shelf FPGA DSPs...

http://www.fpgajournal.com/articles/behere.htm

like this one:

http://www.xilinx.com/products/devkits/HW-V4SX35-VIDEO-SK-US-image.htm

http://www.xilinx.com/company/success/dazzle.htm

You're actually paying a lot more for the programming of the fpga than the hardware itself.   The mojo dx is a small box that's a power supply, a few DAC chips, some connectors, a logic board and the brains-- the DSP FPGA....plus the per-unit cost to manufacture it, the cables, manuals, shipping, etc.  From what I've heard, the PCIe interface is basically a move-the-bus to the BOB type card, which is very, very cheap, and is probably an off-the-shelf solution as well.

By removing SD analog I/O, they've dropped the cost even further, because you don't have to deal with pesky DAC, except to playback the audio.

I would be shocked if it cost a penny more than $500 to make, and I'd put the actual price closer to $250-$300, especially in decent volumes.  If you consider the Kona LHE does all those types of I/O and more, including analog for $1500 retail these days, you can probably figure out what AVID's hard costs are on that setup...  That's what makes it so silly to have the price that high.  They could drop it to $2500 and sell 5X as many, growing their user base, and still making the most money on integrated enterprise solutions... WAY shortsighted.

cory:

http://www.xilinx.com/products/devkits/HW-V4SX35-VIDEO-SK-US-image.htm

http://www.xilinx.com/company/success/dazzle.htm

That first one has got to be $500-750 alone.... the Dazzle thing is no more than 50 bucks to make though. I had one and it's a piece of ****.

To me the price of Mojo DX  is too high and I hope Avid will re-think the pricing.

.- The mojo DX price is OK, (if you need it), and it suits a market segment:

The guys/shops/production houses with HD-SDI ingest needs.

For a shop who owns one or several HDCAMS and professional grade HD monitors (have you ever seen the prices of those "gadgets"????), $ 10,000.00 is pocket change

What we the little guys (the HD file based guys)  needed is ANOTHER different product:

HD monitoring and delivery only.

I personally never have had in my shop any HD material in a tape format, only file based.

cory:

HDRebel88:

And what if it actually cost Avid $5000 to build the Mojo DX hardware....

Lol.  I guess you don't know much about hardware manufacturing.

You're not paying for the "hard goods" here.  You're paying for the R&D.  These days, boxes like the mojo are built from off the shelf FPGA DSPs...

http://www.fpgajournal.com/articles/behere.htm

like this one:

http://www.xilinx.com/products/devkits/HW-V4SX35-VIDEO-SK-US-image.htm

http://www.xilinx.com/company/success/dazzle.htm

You're actually paying a lot more for the programming of the fpga than the hardware itself.   The mojo dx is a small box that's a power supply, a few DAC chips, some connectors, a logic board and the brains-- the DSP FPGA....plus the per-unit cost to manufacture it, the cables, manuals, shipping, etc.  From what I've heard, the PCIe interface is basically a move-the-bus to the BOB type card, which is very, very cheap, and is probably an off-the-shelf solution as well.

By removing SD analog I/O, they've dropped the cost even further, because you don't have to deal with pesky DAC, except to playback the audio.

I would be shocked if it cost a penny more than $500 to make, and I'd put the actual price closer to $250-$300, especially in decent volumes.  If you consider the Kona LHE does all those types of I/O and more, including analog for $1500 retail these days, you can probably figure out what AVID's hard costs are on that setup...  That's what makes it so silly to have the price that high.  They could drop it to $2500 and sell 5X as many, growing their user base, and still making the most money on integrated enterprise solutions... WAY shortsighted.

 You are so right!!!! I don’t understand why people think it costs Avid so much money to build something... and then there are people that actually try to defend Avids pricing!!!

My only question is When Avid said they are Listening to us... who exactly where they listing too? As far as I know many people wanted improvements at a price that worked!!! How dose Avid think $7500 for a MOJO DX is a good price? If anything that made me sicker and now all I can say is LMB Avid! Plus the Old MOJO SDI didn’t even get a price drop!!  I was never going to spend that much Money on a SDI box that had no HD. Thinking that Avid might at least drop that price down.. but instead they come out with  something more expansive.

Avid Needs to think about all of us who spend money out of our pockets not a Post House Budget! This makes me madder just by thinking about it. Your on a thin line with me Avid!

If you consider the Kona LHE does have all those types of I/O and more, including analog for $1500 retail these days.

.- And they use the same chips everyone uses.

There is no special or esoteric components on a Mojo DX.

But , as I told, my main concern is not the Mojo DX price.

Is a product that I (and a lot of people) wanted, but doesn't exist.