Is anybody a little ticked off that the Mojo DX is priced at $7500.00? $9995.00 with Media Composer.
It seems the competition is priced at $1595.00. At a quick glance, it looks like the Matrox box does everything the DX does.
http://www.matrox.com/video/en/press/releases/mxo2/
I didn't think it had to cost this much to capture real HD into my Avid and send it out to a monitor.
How is this 'Affordable Pricing'?
Well, to be fair the Mojo DX is no doubt a helluvalot more powerful than that Matrox thingy, and it's doing a lot more than simply ingest and output.
But I don't like the price either. $7500 for the lowest end HD hardware is too much, and it's too close to the Nitris DX. No idea just how powerful the Mojo DX is, but I'm thinking they should have cut back in order to make it more accessible, and leave the Nitris DX for those who really need the power.
If I were a facility which already ran everything SDI to my Avids for SD and was still running SD Adreneline's almost entirely for offlining, then this would be great news. HD and SD with the ability to monitor and finish in HD for simpler stuff. Additionally, it's faster than the adreneline, less than half the price, and can be used with the same SDI lines currently run. The main thing it can't do is take an analog source from a mic for scratch narration, or monitor component.
However, for quite a few of us, it's looking pretty ridiculous. It's great that this thing is faster and cheaper and smaller than anything before, but the limited input/output capabilities compaired to AJA or Blackmagic products should really put it at no more than $2500. Probably less. The Kona does SDI as well as a breakout of pretty much everything else imaginable and is about half the price of MojoDX.
It's great that they're working thier way there, and I'll definitly come along for the ride to see where this goes, but the competitive edge still doesnt seem sharp enough.
Swil:Well, to be fair the Mojo DX is no doubt a helluvalot more powerful than that Matrox thingy, and it's doing a lot more than simply ingest and output.
nobody even knows that yet, how do you know that?
-danimal the animal
The Kona does SDI as well as a breakout of pretty much everything else imaginable and is about half the price of MojoDX.
.- Is not half the price, is much less.
A Kona LHe is one fifth of the price of a Mojo DX (Hardware only).
The Kona LHe (with all the I/Os imaginable) is $ 1,500.00.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/408186-REG/AJA_KONALHE_Kona_LHe_12_Bit_HD_SD_Video.html
The top of the line Kona 3 is $ 2,500.00
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highfly900:nobody even knows that yet, how do you know that?
We know it accelerates DNxHD encoding & decoding (I think) and is also used by Media Composer to accelerate effects etc (alongside the CPU & GPU). They've made it clear it's not just ingest & output.
And experience tells me a Matrox Premiere-accelerator vs Avid hardware is no contest when it comes to raw power & reliability.
But like I said, it's still the wrong price point.
Swil:We know it accelerates DNxHD encoding & decoding (I think) and is also used by Media Composer to accelerate effects etc (alongside the CPU & GPU). They've made it clear it's not just ingest & output.
They said the same about the Mojo SDI at introduction too. Are you telling me that thing does anything more than I/O?
We know it accelerates DNxHD encoding & decoding: No, it is Nitris DX which as an inbuild DNxHD encoder.
Media Composer to accelerate effects: No, all effects is rendering in CPU or GPU.
What Mojo DX/Nitris DX can accelerate is some video centric taskt which is independent of CPU-power such as scaling between SD, 720 and 1080, fram conversions, overlays I do not know. Dom has a descriptions in annother thread about what they can do.
It's too much money. I want one but we can't afford $7,995.00 to 9,995.00 right now. We purchased a Canon XL H1 in December for this price point. I should think this Mjo DX should be coming in at around $4,995.00 US.
The thing is don't peak too early in life. Currently at MC 3.0
It has been confirmed that only NitrisDX accellerates DNxHD encoding and decoding, thats even how it is listed under tech specs for each. The way it accellerates effects is by providing a high bandwith path to stream data, if thats even actually accellerating at all
then if you would actually look at the matrox MXO2, it does a lot more than ingest and output:
Matrox MXO2 lets you deliver in any format your clients demand. The 10-bit hardware scaling provides high-quality mastering.
Matrox MXO2 provides realtime HD to SD downscaling so that you can monitor or record an SD master of your HD project in real time. Proper conversion of the HD color space to the SD color space and proper aspect ratio conversion to anamorphic, letterbox, and center cut are supported.
Matrox MXO2 provides realtime SD to HD upscaling with proper conversion of the SD color space to the HD color space.
Matrox MXO2 offers realtime cross conversions from 720 to 1080 and 1080 to 720. Realtime frame rate conversion is also supported with the following cadences – 2:3:2:3, 2:3:3:2, and 2:2:2:4. This feature is useful if, for example, your source material is recorded at a different frame rate or resolution than the delivery format your client requires. It also facilitates monitoring when, for example, you need to work with 23.98 fps footage but your monitor does not support that frame rate. You can use MXO2’s realtime frame rate conversion to view your project at 29.97 fps.
In Dynamic RT editing mode, Final Cut Pro automatically reduces frame size to let you preview non-realtime segments of your project at a better frame rate. With the MXO2 hardware upscaler, these segments are accelerated to their original frame size saving processing power for other Final Cut Pro operations, so you get better realtime performance.
Matrox MXO2 turns your HDMI monitor into a true-color video display you can trust, even for color grading. It’s packed with features that make it the ideal monitoring solution for Final Cut Pro, Apple Color, Adobe Premiere Pro, and other QuickTime-based applications. You won’t need to buy expensive HD monitoring equipment. In addition, MXO2’s realtime downscaling feature lets you view your HD projects on an SD monitor.
Matrox MXO2 lets you adjust and control your HDMI monitor exactly like you would a broadcast HD/SD monitor. Controls for hue, chroma, contrast, brightness, and blue-only are provided. This unique control gives you completely accurate color representation so that you can use your HDMI monitor even for color grading.
Matrox MXO2 provides 1:1 pixel mapping on HDMI monitors that support this feature. You get accurate monitoring on your HDMI display in the following resolutions:
As well as being able to ingest and ouput through
Video
Audio
Maybe im wrong but it sure seems that the MXO2 can do more than just inputs and outputs, actually in this cheaper box there are some things I wish the mojoDX had
I think the question that needs to be asked is how much does the Mojo DX cost to manufature? It could come down to Matrox is using **** quality componets in MXO2 to make it cheaper...... You get what you pay for.
Formerly known as HDRebel88
Codec Moment: The main thing it can't do is take an analog source from a mic for scratch narration
Avid's spec sheet lists the mojo as having 1/4'' TSR jacks in and out - so fear not, you will be able to do scratch voice overs. As for component monitoring, I picked up an sdi to component converter for 100 dollars on ebay, though I agree it's a shame the mojo dx doesn't offer that as standard.
highfly900 wrote the following post at 04-16-2008 2:14 AM:
I
Can you speak a bit further on how the matrox box can make my plasma client monitor
more of a color-critical "god monitor" vs. what either the mojodx or nitris ds can do as
a monitoring output?
Thanks
Marianna just e-mailed me. She was at NAB this week, and is presently sitting at the LV airport waiting for her plane to take off.
She is currently working on a pricing / upgrade FAQ that she hopes to post tomorrow (Thursday) morning once she gets settled in back at her office. It should include information about current MCA/Mojo owners and those who purchased systems recently.
So stay tuned. We should find out some of our answers soon. (I don't know if we'll like the answers, but we'll have them.)
-- Kevin
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(I don't know if we'll like the answers, but we'll have them.)
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