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  • Sun, Mar 30 2008 10:22 AM

    • bee gee
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    Problem with Pan and Zoom and 2.8

    Hi all. When adjusting P & Z parameters in 2.8,  the image is blocky and blurred. Only when I render the effect does the image become sharp. I've used the plugin successfully for a long time, and haven't suddenly changed my workflow (I use gaussian as my filter type). Anybody else having problems?

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  • Mon, Mar 31 2008 8:45 PM In reply to

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    Re: Problem with Pan and Zoom and 2.8

     Yup. . .  We had the same thing happen here.  It confused us for a bit until we figured out that everything was OK after a render.  Previously built P & Z effects that played fine in real time in earlier versions looked horrible in 2.8 until rendered.

    The folks at Avid have been made aware of it, so hopefully it will go back to normal in a release or two.  In the meantime, fortunately, P&Z renders aren't too time consuming.

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  • Mon, Mar 31 2008 8:57 PM In reply to

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    Re: Problem with Pan and Zoom and 2.8

    Here's what happened. 

    This is kinda my fault (and a few others). Avid was looking for a way to speed up the performance of the P&Z plug. They put forward this idea that the display would remain in preview mode until you hit render.

    When they asked us about this, I misunderstood what they meant and said "Sure, doesn't bother me". When the x.7.5 releases cam out and I saw the result, it freaked me out at first and I went back to SQA and said "Wait! that's not what I thought you meant!".

    It bothered me at first but, now that I work with it a lot, I've gotten used to it. I do prefer the faster refresh times when composing the effect. I used to have to toggle between real time and Avid ultra just to speed things up. I kind of like not having to do that anymore.

    So I could go either way but I do appreciate what Avid was trying to do and it does work faster for me now.

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  • Tue, Apr 1 2008 11:04 PM In reply to

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    Re: Problem with Pan and Zoom and 2.8

     Understood. It's a massive pain when you're tracking across maps though - the kind of detail you need to see when programming a move just isn't there - until you render. Inevitably, your moves tend to become a bit hit or miss and that mounts up to a lot of wasted time if you're doing a history series that's dependent on that kind of content. Any chance of reverting to previous?

     

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  • Tue, Apr 1 2008 11:07 PM In reply to

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    Re: Problem with Pan and Zoom and 2.8

     P.S. Does 2.7.5 use P & Z the old way? I'll roll back if it does...

    thanks in advance.

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  • Wed, Apr 2 2008 12:37 AM In reply to

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    Re: Problem with Pan and Zoom and 2.8

    2.7.5 is where this was introduced.

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  • Wed, Apr 2 2008 5:02 AM In reply to

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    Re: Problem with Pan and Zoom and 2.8

     Thanks for all the info. My vote for a return to previous functionality - please!

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  • Sat, Apr 5 2008 12:09 AM In reply to

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    Re: Problem with Pan and Zoom and 2.8

     Here's a workaround if you don't like the way pan & zoom works in 2.8. Replace the p&z avx plug in 2.8 with the one in 2.7 and you're back in business.

    HTH

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  • Sat, Apr 5 2008 3:59 AM In reply to

    Re: Problem with Pan and Zoom and 2.8

    bee gee:
    Replace the p&z avx plug in 2.8 with the one in 2.7 and you're back in business.
    If it is that easy then why not have Avid include both variants of the plug in. (Label the NEW way as P&Z FAST)

    The new way works much better for me 90% of the time. The other 10% of the time I REALLY want the old way back. (Guess I could keep both versions on the desktop and change back and forth between them)

    Thanks for the continued dongle support

  • Sat, Apr 5 2008 10:52 AM In reply to

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    Re: Problem with Pan and Zoom and 2.8

    AndrewAction:
    The new way works much better for me 90% of the time. The other 10% of the time I REALLY want the old way back. (Guess I could keep both versions on the desktop and change back and forth between them)
     Why not, excellent feature request, Andrew !

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  • Sat, Apr 5 2008 10:29 PM In reply to

    Re: Problem with Pan and Zoom and 2.8

    sep:
    Why not, excellent feature request
    K.I.S.S   As you have a version of each that work well in their intended workflows. Use both now. Do not spend time reinventing and debugging a third option.

    Thanks for the continued dongle support

  • Sun, Apr 6 2008 12:49 PM In reply to

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    Re: Problem with Pan and Zoom and 2.8

     

    Is indeed "Pan & Zoom" a "visible" or "recognizable " AVX plug in in the Avid AVX folder? I am not in front of my MCA right now.

    Would it be possible to rename the older version and have both accessible in the FX palette?

    Or did I misunderstand you Andrew ?

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  • Sun, Apr 6 2008 5:53 PM In reply to

    Re: Problem with Pan and Zoom and 2.8

    sep:
    Would it be possible to rename the older version and have both accessible in the FX palette?
    Something Avid would need to do as far as I understand it.

    I am just suggesting that this MAYBE a very easy solution for them for our diverse requirement for the plug in

    Thanks for the continued dongle support

  • Mon, Apr 7 2008 12:03 PM In reply to

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    Re: Problem with Pan and Zoom and 2.8

     I naively made the test, I have a backup from the previous MCA configuration ie the older P&Z version. I renamed the older one to P&Z old, and placed it in the AVX plug ins folder, but to no avail, only 1 P&Z shows up in the FX palette. I honestly am not surprised.

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  • Mon, Apr 7 2008 12:21 PM In reply to

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    Re: Problem with Pan and Zoom and 2.8

    BLKDOG:

    Here's what happened. 

    This is kinda my fault (and a few others). 

    BLKDOG, It's great you have an "In" with Avid, how about also getting them to include Rotation into the effect.  Big Smile


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