FYI:

"New Thinking" includes pulling out of "hands-on-training" at the Broadcasters Educational conference (BEA).   Found out today that they canceled thieir labs/sessions - a little sad as it might have been a great chance to push the new line-up and new thinking.  Apple and Panasonic are still comitted to their labs/sessions.  Haven't heard if Avid will have reps at the conference since canceling the sessions.

raspag said:

So, just for monitoring and delivery I have to pay $ 10,000.00 plus a SDI-HD to HD analog component converter ( a thousand+ more?).

yeah that does suck but on the converter sides there are better deals that blackmagic offers.  check these out:

hd/sd sdi to analog for $495

or a monitoring specific solution starting at $445

also even their broadcast converter for $999 which would allow your mojoDX to have many many more input/ouput options but i think thats starting to increase your total price, creeping towards a nitrisDX so not sure if it would be justifiable

i agree with you on this about mics:

In fact, the best ones (and most expensive too) are based on Vacuum tubes circuitry, which is not old technology, is PRE-HISTORIC technology.

I am very lucky to have and love my RCA 77DX      

Dom Q. Silverio said:

There is a debate about color correcting with CRTs with HD for TV. The argument goes that a typical HD viewer is watching your show in LCD or Plasma - not a HD CRT. So correcting for one technology may not be the best way to decide your colors.

but remember Dom, that depends on your output/viewing audience.  if it will only ever be viewed through plasma and LCD, then I agree with you completely, but if you ever plan a film out or digital projection, i think CRT is still very necessary

on a final note, so under the tech specs for Media Composer software, it lists uncompressed HD as supported with a (no capture) of course cause you dont have any hardware with it!  anyway, any clue as to how with mojoDX and nitrisDX when you capture uncompressed HD that media composer will handle it, ie how will it wrap it like as in MXF and what the codec will be like, I mean just the technical stuff on how avid will handle uncompressed HD when it is transferred to data on your computer.

what I am geting at is, since now media composer can work with uncompressed HD, would it be an option to use a third party  hd-sdi capture card that costs $1000, to capture your footage through a different program, (many of these third party cards come with their own capture software/DDR programs) then with this import the HD media into media composer?  would this be a generation loss or could avid import the file natively like 'fast import' for dvcprohd/dnxhd etc into the avid database. 

you could then maybe after your edit is complete, export out via quicktime reference back to the third party program/ddr to output back to tape.   does this make sense?  i know there might be issues such as those that edit offline(you could have your HD material dubbed to miniDV as a cheap solution to get the footage into your media composer to save space from the large uncompressed files.  then you do all your editing, use and edl to then capture through a third part application/capture card to then online in media composer with uncompressed HD. then back to the quicktime ref to third party card/ddr to back to tape.  this is a VERY QUICK OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD idea and i know there is still a lot that would need to be figured out to make something like this work but i think it might be possible and be a cheap way to get access to uncompressed HD

anyone want to comment/rip my dream away from me?   i guess i just need to know first how media composer plans to work with the uncompressed HD files and data and then go from there

BLKDOG, do you record directly into the Avid with the USB mic? If so, how do you assign it as the input and does that differ on a PC for USB input into the Avid?

BLKDOG, do you record directly into the Avid with the USB mic? If so, how do you assign it as the input and does that differ on a PC for USB input into the Avid?

.- Avid works with Avid (or Digidesign) hardware and a very limited number of audiocards (most for playback only)

I doubt it, but you never know.

adam5000:

BLKDOG, do you record directly into the Avid with the USB mic? If so, how do you assign it as the input and does that differ on a PC for USB input into the Avid?

I cant test it tomorrow for you.

BTW - you dont need to use a USB mic. You can get a XLR to USB converter. Then use any mic of your choice.

http://www.mxl-usb.com/#

AndrewAction:

lmerino:

While I wish they would just lower the entry cost, it would also be bad if they pulled an iPhone deal where they lower the price a few months later.

Thereby lies the problem.

NAB 4 years ago entry level MC with entry level HD SDI and SDI IO $35K plus a 12 month wait for the HD SDI part

Now the entry level for more powerful MC software. multi core rendering and HD SDI/SDI  IO's is less than $10K.  Tell me any other company that has improved its quality/performance and knocked 70% off its entry level price (for SDI and HD SDI) in 4 years. 

Anyone can attempt to justify why something should be cheaper using other products pricing,  poor me I cannot afford to get started etc arguments.  IMO few if any of these arguments are valid.

When I set a price for my post production services my prospective clients accept or reject my quote based on what those services are worth to them compared with the different sevices and quotes they can get from my competitors. I win some, I loose some. If I loose to many OR only win by quoting to cheaply to cover my costs and the services I provide my business fails.

It is the same balancing act all businesses. So AVID has set an entry price point NOW. What you get for that price is either worth it to you or not.

 Andrew, this is one of the best response I have read yet. I totally agree with what you have said. Avid also has to be careful not to lower the price to much because editing software and hardware I would imagine, is their primary means of revenue. I do realize they have Softimage, Digidesign and others. I also believe as time go on, it will become clear that Avid new products are superior to other products on the market in terms of technology. This is just my opinion

I think electro-voice, but it may be audio technica, that is hypring a high quality USB mic at NAB. It's late now, and the show floor is closed, but I'll double check tomorrow and get back to you.

raspago:

BLKDOG, do you record directly into the Avid with the USB mic? If so, how do you assign it as the input and does that differ on a PC for USB input into the Avid?

Dom's the best one to tell you about the PC side, For the Mac, you just plug it in and choose it as your audio input source and you're done.

Thanks Dom. But what I'm wondering is what input settings do would you use to see the USB input in capture mode, on a PC. I'm looking to go straight into the Avid and not into any third party program and I don't see how to select the USB port as an input.

Adam - if it's like any other USB audio it just installs itself as a standard audio device in Windows and you select it like any other audio source. How it's plugged in is largely irrelevant to how applications themselves will use it.

Thanks Swil. I don't own the USB mic yet and I was trying to get a sense of how it would go, in terms of set up and recognition from inside the Avid program. I've seen some ramblings on the forum, about it (a USB mic source) not showing up in the capture tool. Seems as if it might be different on a Mac as opposed to a PC, just looking to possibly get a definitive answer, one way or the other.

No pricing or ship date yet. That's not what's important. It's a real technology and I've seen it work. That is important. Hopefully the market will drive it where we would all like it.

and they should sell a ton of MC/Mojo DX systems.  Avid's iPhone?

:-)

Audio Technica has released at USB version of the AT2020 Mic. Looks very good, with an MSRP of $249.00. It's on their web page.

Brickwad:

Audio Technica has released at USB version of the AT2020 Mic. Looks very good, with an MSRP of $249.00. It's on their web page.

You can pick it up from B&H for $150