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  • Tue, Mar 18 2008 5:10 PM In reply to

    • gobucks
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    Re: RIP Xpress Pro

     How is this going to affect how Avid handles assurance with their software only MC software?

    Is there any free assurance time with the upgrade??  This was not in the memo.

    Also... it's saying the online solution versus calling and speaking to Customer Support?  Is this outside of an assurance contract as well?  Were assurance contracts hit with this new offer for software only MC as well?

    I'm a Media Composer guy so I'm pretty happy since I received the email yesterdayYes

    Interesting shift........

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  • Tue, Mar 18 2008 5:14 PM In reply to

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    Re: RIP Xpress Pro

    As I mentioned earlier, During the announcement we asked this question. We were told that Avid is not prepared to discuss their plans for assurance yet. 

    This info will be forthcoming.

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  • Tue, Mar 18 2008 5:38 PM In reply to

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    Re: RIP Xpress Pro

     Hey BLKDOG, I'm very impressed with your dedication to this forum and answering the plethora of questions fired at you from everywhere with this latest bit of news...great job!

    I have to ask though...do you get to actually spend "down time" editing anymore?

    I just got the email today, and I think this is a great move at a great price.

    Keep up the good work!

  • Tue, Mar 18 2008 6:44 PM In reply to

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    Re: RIP Xpress Pro

    Fortunately I had a Client Cancel yesterday. Otherwise you guys would be on your own!


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  • Tue, Mar 18 2008 7:15 PM In reply to

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    Re: RIP Xpress Pro

    BLKDOG:
    this is EXACTLY why you will never see anyone at Avid quote a timeframe for a release.

    Never???  to repeat - from the 720p25 thread

    19 Jan 2008 "Avid tech Michael reports 720p25 will be in the next release, slated for 2nd quarter. "

    to give you your due Blkdog you hinted at a little caution -

    19 Jan "Avid is hoping that it will be ready to go soon but I have been hearing "Next release for a while now."

    but then on  21 Jan from Marianna -

    "I couldn't get Michael live as he is attending the Sundance Film Festival but I do know what eh posted is correct.  Avid developers have been working on this feature for a while and it is planned for thre next release ( really :))

    That's all I can divulge for now.   :)

    Marianna"

    8 Feb - from Blkdog
    "You need to read back a few posts. There is an announcement from Michael P and it's verified by Marianna."   
     
     Blkdog - you didnt suggest that Michael was wrong at this point and in fact went on to write on  8 Feb -
     
    "For pages on end all you people have done is demand that Avid give you some announcement about when or if the codec will be available.

    Michael and Marianna both finally come out and tell you that it will be in the next release and you STILL moan and complain. How about either just saying thank you for the effort (if 720p/25 has passed you by) or thanks and looking forward to seeing it? Sure, it's been a long time coming but, initially, it was not a codec Avid planned to support. The user requests finally caused the company to rethink its position but getting the code into a developer schedule that was already full took some time.
    Now, it appears as if you will be seeing it in the near future.

    Better late than never I say."  
     
    And in confirmation - 9 Feb - from Michael - an Avid employee (his bold)

    "The very next "non point" release will have support for the format with a 720p/25 project type as expected."

    I accept that he doesnt, in this post, confirm his previous time frame, but neither does he correct it.  I can also see that the phrase "slated for Q2" allows for some uncertainty.  So I got to agree there was no promise.  But from that point on no-one apart from Blkdog really questioned that something was coming in Q2 (ok there were a few, but  I thought they were just being a bit too sniffy). 

    Anyway we are where we are, I'll move on. 

    Blkdog - Can I just ask another question, if you are still talking to me  - you say in that thread that 720p25 support will just be a codec.  Since we have just had a new release of codecs, for free, will this codec also be free?  In your opinion I mean.  No promises, no obligations, everything taken with a pinch of a salt, and all the usual caveats, but since its jsut a codec, maybe I wont have to upgrade?  Of course its a good deal, but we already have MC so I'm not that bothered, I will upgrade when we can afford the system to go with it, in the meantime I'll go back to shooting SD and convert the Hd footage I have shot so far.  (Why dont I use MC? - its on a system that my co-director uses, and he edits on Premiere Pro - I get on it occasionally but not for any serious amount of time, and I havent installed it on my system cos XPro 5.8 is pushing it to its limit)

    PS - sorry about the small text and the gaps, it all looks fine when I compose, how do I change the font size?

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  • Tue, Mar 18 2008 7:24 PM In reply to

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    Re: RIP Xpress Pro

    Wow...could barely read that type.


    You need to listen very carefully. The new version of software very well may be released in Q2 HOWEVER no one at Avid should have PROMISED you anything because stuff happens in these development cycles all the time and, if you are betting the farm on Michael's ill advised mention of Q2, then you could be setting yourself up for failure. We may get to the end of the cycle and 720p/25 is the one feature they pull because it didn't work. THEN where would you be?

    You need to stop hanging on one mention of a quarter and start planning your workflow around what happens if it's NOT released. It's the only way you will be safe.

    Now, there's no way I can even begin to guess what the upgrade will or will not cost. However, i can tell you that this feature, if it ends up in the final release, will require the upgrade to the current version of the software.

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  • Tue, Mar 18 2008 7:56 PM In reply to

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    Re: RIP Xpress Pro

    I have a question regarding the differences between Xpress pro and Media Composer.  Are the keyboards the same, and are there a lot of differences in shortcuts etc?

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  • Tue, Mar 18 2008 7:58 PM In reply to

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    Re: RIP Xpress Pro

     I just upgraded to 5.8 xpress and now this new news.  One of the unmentioned part of this subject is how much new equipment wil be needed to one the Media Composer.

     

    That could mean that a lot of us smaller editors will slowly be out of the market. 

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  • Tue, Mar 18 2008 8:03 PM In reply to

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    Re: RIP Xpress Pro

    To what new equipment are you referring? CPUs?

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  • Tue, Mar 18 2008 8:04 PM In reply to

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    Re: RIP Xpress Pro

    beckirk:

    I have a question regarding the differences between Xpress pro and Media Composer.  Are the keyboards the same, and are there a lot of differences in shortcuts etc?


    There are some differences in the pre-mapped keys and a couple of the shortcuts are on mapped to different places but it's not too much different..

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  • Tue, Mar 18 2008 8:38 PM In reply to

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    Re: RIP Xpress Pro

    Minor minor minor minor interface changes.  Nothing you can't overcome in 5 mins.  Really.  I'm bouncing back and forth between MC and XPro constantly.  DO the upgrade. you'll love it!Yes

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  • Tue, Mar 18 2008 10:06 PM In reply to

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    Re: RIP Xpress Pro

     

    BlkDog:

    Followup to the earlier question:

    Will we need any new equipment or will MC play as smoothly as it does with AXP.

     

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  • Tue, Mar 18 2008 10:16 PM In reply to

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    Re: RIP Xpress Pro

     MC-software and MC with Mojo requieres the same equipment as XPP. What the new version requieres does only Avid know.

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  • Tue, Mar 18 2008 11:38 PM In reply to

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    Re: RIP Xpress Pro

     I guess i should asked this a different way, but it looks like you have to have a mojo for MC to really work effectively and based on the specs, we will need to move up to 4gig ram and windows xp.

    Is that correct or have i read the information incorrectly.

    Based on the requirements and minimum is not a requirement for avid (imho), then it would mena that we will need a special build on a PC since all the new machines are coming with windows vista.  AND what what a PC tech said, Microsoft is planning on discontinuing any new installs and support of XP before end of june 2008.

    DO you have any word on this or how the operating system changes will impact this MC upgrade.

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  • Wed, Mar 19 2008 12:10 AM In reply to

    Re: RIP Xpress Pro

    If you currently work with Xpress Pro, nothing changes. Mojo is really just an advanced Firewire-video convertor (think of it as a bigger and slightly badder Canapus 110). If you haven't needed it up 'til now, you can live without it in MC. Same thing for CPU and RAM requirements. Xpress and MC are the same code through-and-through. No special build computers.

    As for Vista, as long as there is eBay, you will always have access to copies of XP... 

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