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  • Tue, Dec 4 2018 11:26 PM In reply to

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    Re: Avid DNxHD/DNxHR not compatible with macOS beyond Mojave?

    Fish:
    Apple betting everything on ProRes doesn't seem like dropping floppy disks or a headphone jack.

    This isn't about Apple bettin' it all on ProRes. It's about QTKit being replaced by AVFoundation. How that plays out for ya'll, I don't know. But it's really worth reading those pieces by Jon Chappell and Philip Hodgetts.

    Or you could dive deeper with this presentation from WWDC 2016 - Advances in AVFoundation Playback (RT: 36:33):

    https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2016/503/

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  • Tue, Dec 4 2018 11:29 PM In reply to

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    Re: Avid DNxHD/DNxHR not compatible with macOS beyond Mojave?

    I will do! Thanks.

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  • Thu, Dec 6 2018 4:02 PM In reply to

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    Re: Avid DNxHD/DNxHR not compatible with macOS beyond Mojave?

    @All: here's another excellent article on this by Chris Hocking of Late Nite Films (https://latenitefilms.com):

    https://lab.commandpost.io/discussions/legacy

    Confirms much of what we discussed here. Please read when you can.

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  • Wed, Dec 12 2018 6:06 PM In reply to

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    Re: Avid DNxHD/DNxHR not compatible with macOS beyond Mojave?

    @All: Apple updated their doc on legacy media with more details. Worth another look:

    https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT209000

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  • Tue, Jan 8 2019 10:30 PM In reply to

    Re: Avid DNxHD/DNxHR not compatible with macOS beyond Mojave?

    What people are glossing over is AV foundation HAS NO SUPPORT FOR 3RD PARTY CODECS!!! repeat NO SUPPORT FOR 3RD PARTY CODECS. Those who dismissively wrote that the writing was on the wall for years neglect to mention that Apple has had years to open up AV Foundation to 3rd party codecs. IT HASN'T HAPPENED! PLAYING 3RD PARTY CODECS RELIES ON THIRD PARTY ENGINES.  This just means further balkanization of media. It is unacceptable.

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  • Wed, Jan 9 2019 4:30 PM In reply to

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    Re: Avid DNxHD/DNxHR not compatible with macOS beyond Mojave?

    @brainburst: no one is glossing over anything.

    Asked and answered. Do some research before ranting.

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  • Thu, Jan 17 2019 2:05 AM In reply to

    Re: Avid DNxHD/DNxHR not compatible with macOS beyond Mojave?

    I DID the research which is why I am ranting. Apple is not going to suport third party codecs at the OS level PERIOD. Every one is going to have to supply their own playback encode support. Ther are no shared hooks into a standard subsystem univerally accessible to all applications. 
    The only answers provided are rationalizations about why apple chose to do this,. There is NOTHING to be found about 3rd party codec support at the OS level.
    The only thing Apple mentions about this is:

    "Third-party developers may continue to offer compatibility with some formats by building support directly into their apps."

     

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  • Thu, Jan 17 2019 11:56 AM In reply to

    Re: Avid DNxHD/DNxHR not compatible with macOS beyond Mojave?

    brainburst:

    I DID the research which is why I am ranting. Apple is not going to suport third party codecs at the OS level PERIOD. Every one is going to have to supply their own playback encode support. Ther are no shared hooks into a standard subsystem univerally accessible to all applications. 
    The only answers provided are rationalizations about why apple chose to do this,. There is NOTHING to be found about 3rd party codec support at the OS level.
    The only thing Apple mentions about this is:

    "Third-party developers may continue to offer compatibility with some formats by building support directly into their apps."

     

    Thats clear then. Apple has decided, and indicated for some years now, that their OS will only support their codecs. Apple has decided to become even more closed and isolated.

    Apple applications like compressor and FCPX will follow the Apple line and support only the codecs Apple support.

    Other applications like Adobe and Avid will have to build in their own support and of course that weill vary and evolve from application to application.

    The writing has been on the wall for years that if you stick with Apple you play by their rules and they have decided to go their own way. You go with them or you find another solution.

    With the additional cost of Mac hardware, the frequent app breaking OS updates and now this non OS suppport for additional codecs there seems to be little to keep users on the Apple cart.

    If you edit with FCPx and follow the Apple line on the cameras and codecs they support life will be easy.

    Otherwise you have to look at what a Mac computer offers you as a tool to do your work.

    I've not found any logical reason to support Mac purchases over PC for some years. The HP G workstations are amazing pieces of hardware and Windows 10 mimics the Mac OS enough to be usable.

    I to would love to see Avid drop Apple support. I worry how much Avid resource is used chasing the Apple development tail. In fact a move to Unix would be a far more sensible approach.

     

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  • Thu, Jan 17 2019 3:10 PM In reply to

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    Re: Avid DNxHD/DNxHR not compatible with macOS beyond Mojave?

    It’s not just about the box. It’s also what runs the box.

    I’m all about the interface. I’m an interface zealot. But I’m not going to get into a battle of which is better. That’s up to you and your needs (and wants!). If you’re comfortable with Windows or Unix (although “comfort" may not be the right word for Unix) then it may seem nuts to weep over Mac issues. But for companies like ours that have an 18 year legacy of Mac use, technical troubleshooting knowledge, and reams of Mac software licences - the solution isn’t as simple as throwing a switch. Our whole office, it’s ecosystem, is wrapped in Apple. That includes many desktops, laptops and other devices like iPhones, tablets, AppleTVs, etc. And our mindset is so engrained into Mac’s OS that most of the operations we do with the OS everyday we take for granted because they are second nature. I’ve used Windows. Admittedly, not the latest OS. And since Apple has done a horrible job of keeping the Mac Pro up-to-date, we are looking even closer at Windows as an option. But, beyond a great speed improvement, what I see in Windows doesn’t magnetize me. It still repels me.  Primarily because of how much has not changed since my first Windows computer back in ’94 or my Avid Windows system in 2004 (which I still have  - complete with it’s floppy disk drive - but never turn on). It’s still seems messy and clunky (imho). But if the MacPro we’re waiting for proves to be a lemon (or non-existent) then we may have no choice. Does “no choice” gives any Avid users comfort?? I don’t think a reasonable person wants to see a world without healthy competition. So… for the record I appreciate Avid’s continued support of Mac...and Windows! Thank you Avid.
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