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  • Thu, Mar 29 2018 8:29 PM

    • cls105
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    Avid, your full screen playback sucks.

    I have a few i/o devices for avid.  But I am on a setup that doesnt have a card.

     

    If I have 3 monitors, and one of them is for full screen playback the saving and locator popups are always on the full screen monitor and get me out of full screen mode.

    This is really UI common sense.  Don't have popups (saving, rendering, adding locator) exit full screen playback.

     

    All these options for full screen playback like, s3d view, s3d over lay, color space, target mast, display both fields.  How about DONT LET LOCATOR AND SAVING GET ME OUT OF FULL SCREEN MODE.

     

    Please, no need to chime in unless you have a concrete solution (not including i/o hardware which I don't have with me.)

    This is really programming garbage.

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  • Thu, Mar 29 2018 9:20 PM In reply to

    Re: Avid, your full screen playback sucks.

    I think they recently changed where save dialogue boxes etc. show up. Are you on 2018.3 (the most recent version)?

    Here’s hoping this is concrete enough ;)

     

    The following are new for Media Composer | First v2018.3:

    Splash Screen On Primary Monitor

    In previous releases, the editing application splash screen would appear on whichever monitor had mouse control. With this release of the editing application, when you are working with dual monitors, the Media Composer | First splash screen will open on the primary monitor. This might be useful if you want to work in another application while Media Composer | First launches. Move your other application window to the second monitor so that you can see the splash screen on the primary monitor as it opens.

    Progress Bars On Primary Monitor

    In previous releases, progress bars would appear on which ever monitor had mouse control. With this release of the editing application, when you are working with dual monitors, progress bars will open on the primary monitor. This is helpful if you want to arrange your workspace to make sure that progress bars are not hidden behind windows you are currently working with.

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  • Fri, Mar 30 2018 9:04 PM In reply to

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    Re: Avid, your full screen playback sucks.

    Yes I am on 2018.3.  This is not a solution to what im talking about.

    Common Avid get with the program.

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  • Sat, Mar 31 2018 2:07 AM In reply to

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    Re: Avid, your full screen playback sucks.

    One of the problems, as explained to me by Avid support, is that Avid doesnt support three monitor setups. I have had nothing but problems using a three monitor setup inside Avid. Luckily I have an I/O card and don't have to work with full screen playback - but I cant even get my timeline to show up on the correct monitor when I start the application or switch projects. 

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  • Sat, Mar 31 2018 4:23 PM In reply to

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    Re: Avid, your full screen playback sucks.

    Just out of curiousity, since your profile says you have a BMD Intensity 4K, why not use that for your third display?

    Edit: Sorry, just realized from re-reading the first post that you don't have the BMD in this setup.

    In any case, to try and deal with the original problem, if the dialogs are always showing up on that monitor, change the layout of the monitors in the Windows display settings. First, start by identifying the monitors. I'm going to presume that the layout is 1-2-3, and monitor 3 is the full screen display. Swap the cable between monitors 2 and 3, and then rearrange the layout in the display settings as 1-3-2. Now make monitor 2 your full screen display.

    I'm not in a position to try this right now, but it's a pretty quick change to see if it works.

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  • Sat, Mar 31 2018 9:31 PM In reply to

    Re: Avid, your full screen playback sucks.

    ramz434:

    One of the problems, as explained to me by Avid support, is that Avid doesnt support three monitor setups. I have had nothing but problems using a three monitor setup inside Avid. Luckily I have an I/O card and don't have to work with full screen playback - but I cant even get my timeline to show up on the correct monitor when I start the application or switch projects. 

    1st and 2nd Monitors (Extended) timeline (VGA to DP).

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  • Mon, Apr 2 2018 5:27 PM In reply to

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    Re: Avid, your full screen playback sucks.

    OK, I've set my system up with 3 monitors, with MC running on 1 (the primary) and 2, and using the 3rd for the full screen playback. All of my dialogs are opening on the primary monitor. The only thing that affects the full screen playback monitor is if I go into Help and access the MC knowledge base (which opens a browser window on the primary monitor, but the playback monitor goes blank). However, when I exit the browser, the playback monitor refreshes itself. I've found nothing that will open the on the 3rd screen.

    Let's go back to basics. Exactly how are your monitors connected (all on a video card, two on a card and one directly connected to the MOBO port, etc.) When you go into the Windows Display settings, what are the monitor numbers, how are they laid out, and which is the primary?

     

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  • Mon, Apr 2 2018 5:59 PM In reply to

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    Re: Avid, your full screen playback sucks.

    OK, I think I've figured it out. It depends on the Windows Display layout.

    I've got 2 HD monitors and a UHD TV connected. Physically, they're laid out with the UHD over the two monitors (I've got a KVM attached with my general purpose system; that system has a virtual desktop of 3840x3240). Normally I run the editting system with the UHD connected up to a BMD Intensity Pro 4K (so a dual monitor system).

    I hooked up the UHD to the HDMI port on my editting box for a 3-monitor system (it's monitor # 3). If I lay it out horizontally in the display settings (1 - 2 - 3) then monitor 1 has the menu bar and all of the dialogs show up in monitor 1. If I set it up as 1 up and 2 down like:

     3
    1-2

    then MC places the menu bar in monitor 3, and that's where all the dialogs open. So if that monitor is also the full screen display, the dialogs interrupt it when they popup.

    Is this what you're seeing?

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  • Mon, Apr 9 2018 3:30 AM In reply to

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    Re: Avid, your full screen playback sucks.

    I finished the project I was working on so I probably won’t be using this setup any time soon.

    ive tried different primary monitor settings in the past and that didn’t solve the problem.

    but one thing I’ve never done is having monitors 1 2 3 (the way windows identifies them) in order on my desk, that could be it.

    ill try it out one day and update. Thank you

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  • Mon, Apr 9 2018 5:05 PM In reply to

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    Re: Avid, your full screen playback sucks.

    Just out of curiosity DStone, what is the sync like on that 3rd monitor of yours, are you 100% fully in sync, no frame lag, (not even a fraction of a frame) between that and your composer monitor?

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    And back to a windowless room full of Avids he goes.

  • Mon, Apr 16 2018 12:09 AM In reply to

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    Re: Avid, your full screen playback sucks.

    Sorry, I wasn't looking for lag. My usual setup is that the 3rd monitor (a 4K TV) is connected via a BMD Intensity Pro 4K for color grading on a (more or less) calibrated TV. At least it's what my clients are using, so if it looks good for me it looks good for them.

    And in the physical layout that the screen are all in, I couldn't look at both the composer monitor and the TV at the same time anyway,

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  • Wed, May 16 2018 8:12 AM In reply to

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    Re: Avid, your full screen playback sucks.

    cls105:
    If I have 3 monitors, and one of them is for full screen playback the saving and locator popups are always on the full screen monitor and get me out of full screen mode.

    I've just set up a system with three monitors and I see this too; moreover, the decades old MC behaviour, with dialogue boxes and pop up windows appearing where the mouse pointer is was a much more sensible design, what is the point of forcing the operator to move the mouse to a different monitor when working on another one?

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  • Wed, May 16 2018 9:28 AM In reply to

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    Re: Avid, your full screen playback sucks.

    I think it was a Matrox box that allowed you to plug in 2 outputs from the PC and have 3 monitor outputs from the box.  I used to run this before 3rd Party support was available and my mojo died.  Effectively the PC saw 2 monitors - one the combined dimension of 2 screens and a second that I used for FSP.  Really a cludge but it saved having to plug something into the PCI slot inside the PC, avoided the 3 monitor issues and perhaps a possible solution if you need to work on remote PCs... if matrox still make it.

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  • Wed, May 16 2018 11:32 AM In reply to

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    Re: Avid, your full screen playback sucks.

    matrox trick only worked with dvi/vga.

     

    now we have display port with passive adapters.

    better solution exept for this edge case.

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  • Wed, May 16 2018 12:43 PM In reply to

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    Re: Avid, your full screen playback sucks.

    The Matrox thing is obsolete, I don't even know if it's still for sale.

    Just wanted to add that even though popups and dialogue boxes appear in the wrong place killing the FSP monitor (!), I do not agree on the wording FSP "sucks", I'd rather say that it needs improvements, especially with regards to playback image quality, other than windows placement and full screen persistence. A good working three monitors setup would be much better than two monitors + an I/O box, giving You more real estate for the various tools when not in FSP mode, for example when mixing or working with the media tool or You name it. Of course this might sink the I/O devices market, so I'm not holding my breath while waiting for Avid to make FSP better to the point that it could fully replace an Avid I/O box, but still it should be refined. Needless to say that with file based pipelines there's not much use for an I/O box nowadays, except for colour correction, which does not happen that much in MC anymore, given the lack of features compared to other finishing apps.

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