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  • Wed, Jan 21 2015 11:35 PM

    Computer Built for 4k Editing

    I don't need redicous ammount of details (I'm a IT Systems Admin by day) but I'm wanting to move to Avid Media Composer to and Edit 4k footage from Panasonic GH4's using AMA Link, Most of the time I would not be transcoding (importing) not all of the project would actually be truely 4k but it needs to be able to handling so what should I look for to bulid a computer to handle this? And is Nvidia Quadro line still the choice for Avid (It doesn't look to be pushed on the site near as much as years ago).

     

    Thanks,

    Jason

  • Thu, Jan 22 2015 3:45 AM In reply to

    • TVJohn
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    Re: Computer Built for 4k Editing

    Its a little early in the 4K game for a definitive answer.

    Short answer, top line Intel i7 CPU, 32GB RAM, SSD 1TB C drive, High speed RAID storage. The GPU choice is a little less certain. It should be NVidia, at least 2GB DDR5 onboard.

    Thunderbolt enabled MoBo.

    Although not official, many have had success with GTX 760, however, the safe recommendation Quadro K4000

    There is much to consider here:

    http://community.avid.com/forums/t/99188.aspx

    Dell Display U2713HM(2560x1440), AMD FX8350 8core, AMD 990FX mobo, 32gig-DDR3-1600, Quadro K620/GTX260/core 216, Audigy2zs, 1TB SSD system drive, 2TB SATA... [view my complete system specs]

    Using MC 8.4. Avid FX6.4, Vegas Pro 15/ DVD Architect 6pro, DVDit6.4proHD, CCE Basic, TmpGe Express4, TmpGe Authoring Works 4, DVDLab-Studio. Sony EX-1R, Canon XH-A1, GL2, GL1, Canon EOS 60D

  • Thu, Jan 22 2015 4:13 AM In reply to

    • Mondo
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    Re: Computer Built for 4k Editing

    I'd check out the top specced 4K iMac and Thunderbolt storage - probably SSDs in a RAID. But as TVJohn said it is a bit early to say. I think Apple is the only one with a special 20Gb/s display pipeline (made their own chip)

    If I were building a PC I'd look at a GTX980 with 4GB RAM, best i7 you can get, thunderbolt mobo and external thunderbolt SSD RAID. If money is no object :)

    Probably best to wait for someone else to make the plunge... and ask the same question over on the Mac forum..

    HP Z820 16GB RAM Winx64Pro SP1/Xeon 2620 x 2/Quadro 4000 NitrisDX, Fiber client Unity client 5.3 Build 15440, 4 bay SSD dock (Addonics) Custom build: Asus... [view my complete system specs]

    John

    Can we go back to the way audio nodes used to be selected? Please? ie if you have audio nodes at the same time on selected tracks; then selecting 1 audio node selects them all at that time. Having to shift select nodes or add an in and out is time consuming and counter productive. At least make it an option.

  • Thu, Jan 22 2015 6:09 AM In reply to

    Re: Computer Built for 4k Editing

    Thanks. I'd probally stay away from Macs if possible for now.

     

    This would be my dream machine but It's not realistic right now: http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=20632909

     

    It would be great if I could just pick up a HP Z Series off ebay and maybe upgrade the ram and GPU if needed. The problem with the specs on Avids page for 4k is I think they are assuming you will be editing 4k from a Red Scarlet etc. Not a H.264 Panasonic Gh4.  For reference I was able to edit it decently (but at a lower frame rate) on a Core i7 Dual Core, 8GB ram, Intel HD 4000 Gfx on a Asus T300LA Tablet. (that ones getting sent back due to other issues) but, I want a machine that will play it smoothly anway.

     

  • Thu, Jan 22 2015 1:34 PM In reply to

    • Pheral
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    Re: Computer Built for 4k Editing

    jfiinnigan:
    This would be my dream machine but It's not realistic right now: http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=20632909

    I'm going to join jfiinnigan as a black sheep.  Whilst many here might pooh-pooh the dual Xeon setup in a home-built system as expensive overkill, there is a reason why this sort of setup is recommended for high-resolution editing.  And both the Supermicro boards and Xeon cpus have proven reliability and stability over the long haul.

    Media Composer v8.9.2 | Windows 10 Professional 64-Bit | Supermicro X10DAi | Intel Xeon E5-2620 v4 Broadwell (x2) | Noctua NH-D9DX i4 (x2) | PNY GeForce... [view my complete system specs]
  • Thu, Jan 22 2015 8:51 PM In reply to

    Re: Computer Built for 4k Editing

    I think that the questions ,ust be closer to:

    how long projects and what effects on it?

    Desktop PC

     

    Corsair RM750X|Asus P8Z68 Deluxe(Gen3)|i7 2600K@4.4|Corsair 32G DDR3|PNY Quadro P2000(390.77)|Samsung 850 Pro SSD(OS) 256 GB|2x2TB WD RE4@RAID 0|2x500GB Mushkin SSD@RAID 0|LG BH16NS40|W10 Pro 64bit|Media Composer Software 2018.12 with Symphony Option on Dongle|2xHP 22'' Monitors|M-Audio AV30 Speakers.

     

    Larry as long as I live I will remember you.

     

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  • Fri, Jan 23 2015 3:48 AM In reply to

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    Re: Computer Built for 4k Editing

    jfiinnigan:
    This would be my dream machine but It's not realistic right now: http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=20632909

    Has MC reached a tipping point in efficiently using multiple cores to make more, slower CPU cores a better choice than fewer, faster cores?

    MC doesn't use GPU as much as some other programs. A K5200 is probably more GPU than is necessary for MC. Avid has recommended workstation cards for years; although, many people report success with gaming cards.

    I don't recall seeing a RAID controller on the wishlist. Is that a built in capability of the motherboard?

    MC 8.7.2. HP Z400, Xeon W3580, 24GB ECC RAM, BMD Decklink Studio 4K, Desktop Video 10.3, Quadro K4200, 362.13 OS & programs: 600GB 10k, video: 1TB... [view my complete system specs]
  • Fri, Jan 23 2015 5:58 AM In reply to

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    Re: Computer Built for 4k Editing

    Mark:
    I don't recall seeing a RAID controller on the wishlist. Is that a built in capability of the motherboard?

    Most higher end Mobos have some form of RAID controller on board. Some external boxes have it built into the box so it is just a single Thunderbolt/USB3/SATA 6G connection to the PC. Enterprise solutions often involve hardware RAID cards with battery backup etc. In the past I've tended to use the onboard RAID controllers except in my backup server where I used external RAID cards.

    But today I'd go for a Thunderbolt based external RAID box like these or eSATA like these - I'd also check out Addonics, they have many good solutions. I'd go for RAID 5 - slightly more overhead and in a 4bay box only 75% of your total storage but you can lose one drive and not your data.

    Other brands to look at are Pegasus and Promise. I'm pushing external storage over internal - it has the advantage of being a semi-portable and it doesn't put ridiculous heat loads on your PC which having multiple internal drives tends to do.

     

    HP Z820 16GB RAM Winx64Pro SP1/Xeon 2620 x 2/Quadro 4000 NitrisDX, Fiber client Unity client 5.3 Build 15440, 4 bay SSD dock (Addonics) Custom build: Asus... [view my complete system specs]

    John

    Can we go back to the way audio nodes used to be selected? Please? ie if you have audio nodes at the same time on selected tracks; then selecting 1 audio node selects them all at that time. Having to shift select nodes or add an in and out is time consuming and counter productive. At least make it an option.

  • Fri, Jan 23 2015 10:55 AM In reply to

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    Re: Computer Built for 4k Editing

    I would go for a LGA 2011-v3 Socket Motherboard, probably with a Thunderbold add in Card. This allowes for the 6 or 8 Core Version of i7 Processors wich are cheaper then the XEONs I think. On LGA 1155 the Quad-Core i7 is the Maximum (although higher Clockrates and they have internal Graphic HD5000 if you need that wich does the 6- or 8- Core have not). So 6 Core on a Budget ore more if you can and at least 16, better 32 GB RAM.

    for the GFX I would just go for the best NVdia Consumer I could afford right know. Probably 770 or GTX 780. Avid doesnt utilize GPU right know for anything important to my knowledge, just some Effects wich are (correct me if wrong) mostly OpenGL Based accelaration. I'm running an Older GTX 560Ti 2GB just fine wich also accelerate Adobe Media Encoder for my h264 Deliveries (Avid 6.5).

    I would look preferably after a 4+GB equipped Card than 2GB for true 4k Image Editing (If at some point later you want to use software like Davinci Resolve or Premiere wich will go out of memory in a true 4k/UHD Timeline on a 2GB Card).  Alternatively, to be on the save side just for Avid, get an older Quadro 2000 or 4000 of ebay. Upgrade it later. But if you upgrade GFX, throw the older ones away, mixing different GPU generations is not helpful (albeit possible) performance- and stability-wise.

    But I'm actually not aware if anything of the above has changed with Version 8.x so I'm may be wrong on the GPU Thing.

     

    Best, H.

     

  • Fri, Jan 23 2015 11:52 AM In reply to

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    Re: Computer Built for 4k Editing

    Is this for production usage or casual work.. makes all the difference.

    Dell Display U2713HM(2560x1440), AMD FX8350 8core, AMD 990FX mobo, 32gig-DDR3-1600, Quadro K620/GTX260/core 216, Audigy2zs, 1TB SSD system drive, 2TB SATA... [view my complete system specs]

    Using MC 8.4. Avid FX6.4, Vegas Pro 15/ DVD Architect 6pro, DVDit6.4proHD, CCE Basic, TmpGe Express4, TmpGe Authoring Works 4, DVDLab-Studio. Sony EX-1R, Canon XH-A1, GL2, GL1, Canon EOS 60D

  • Fri, Jan 23 2015 6:34 PM In reply to

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    Mondo:

    I'd go for RAID 5 - slightly more overhead and in a 4bay box only 75% of your total storage but you can lose one drive and not your data.

    RAID 5 is consider obslete. If you are looking at Raid 5 you should consider Raid 10, Just Make sure it's Raid 1+0 not Raid 0+1 (There is a difference).

    Here's a spiceworks article on it though there's much more http://community.spiceworks.com/topic/356919-why-raid-5-sucks It has to do with rebuliding of arrays and a high likely hood of a RAID 5 failing to rebulid.

  • Fri, Jan 23 2015 6:36 PM In reply to

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    TVJohn:

    Is this for production usage or casual work.. makes all the difference.

    Both I guess. It's not my full time job.. But, I do 30 second broadcast spots, Web Promo videos (2-5min usually) then some 30minitue stuff as well as long form stuff sometimes (up to 2hrs or so.) Most of it's for non profits so there is little money in most of this I just do it for fun.

     

    While if I have to spend a few grand to do right that's fine.

    If I can pickup a Used HP Z workstation for a few hundred, throw a $30-$65 Six Core Xeon/Core i7 3ghz in it, and throw 24GB FBdim in it for $70 buck and $100-$150 GTX Gaming Card that would be great. Already have lots of 1TB HDDs and 256 SDDs here along with a few spare windows licesnes. That would be even better

  • Wed, Jan 28 2015 2:32 AM In reply to

    Re: Computer Built for 4k Editing

    I haven't gotten it in yet but I ended up picking up a used HP Z800 off ebay with 24GB ram and 2 six core intel Xeon X5660's. I have like 10 1TB 7200rpm Enterpise SATA drives and a 240GB SSD for OS drive laying around to put in it (though I can't put them all in it). It was cheaper than even a gaming rig but, even though it's older I think the extra core (12 core, 24 threads) will help out a lot.

     

    No Idea what video card it has they just listed it as Nvidia Quadro 256MB, hopefuly that will at least get me something until I upgrade it. Though I counted on having to upgrade that.

  • Wed, Jan 28 2015 8:11 AM In reply to

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    Re: Computer Built for 4k Editing

    Confirming I'm running MSI GTX 760 with MC 8.3 and it runs  OK so far, it's interesting that others are using this card too..I havn't had more than about 30 min with minimal bells and whistles don't know how it goes with an long edit though...

  • Wed, Jan 28 2015 11:57 AM In reply to

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    Re: Computer Built for 4k Editing

    The 760 will run, however if MC does not recognise the card as a certified GPU certain hardware based functions will not be hardware enabled.

    Dell Display U2713HM(2560x1440), AMD FX8350 8core, AMD 990FX mobo, 32gig-DDR3-1600, Quadro K620/GTX260/core 216, Audigy2zs, 1TB SSD system drive, 2TB SATA... [view my complete system specs]

    Using MC 8.4. Avid FX6.4, Vegas Pro 15/ DVD Architect 6pro, DVDit6.4proHD, CCE Basic, TmpGe Express4, TmpGe Authoring Works 4, DVDLab-Studio. Sony EX-1R, Canon XH-A1, GL2, GL1, Canon EOS 60D

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