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    Can I get a simple answer ? Importing old movies...

    Hi

    I have been given an about 90 mins worth of home movies as QT movies, originally shot as 4:3 Pal, Mini DV tape. This was digitised using Quicktime 7. The files are 1280 x 576. The Codec is DVC - PAL.

    I have to assemble an hours worth of this footage, colour correct and resize and then produce a 16:9 dvd at the end of the edit. What format do I start with in Avid and why ? What are the best options for importing so the poor quality footage doesn't get any worse ? I have been looking online for hours for answers but now cannot see the wood for the trees...help

    This is a big favour I am doing for an old family friend

     

    thank you

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  • Thu, May 1 2014 9:23 PM In reply to

    Re: Can I get a simple answer ? Importing old movies...

    Is the weird size 1280 by 576 a typo? the display size? or the actual size shown in Quicktimes Movie inspector?

    On Import into a Standard def project Avid resizes to 720 by 576 pixels

    1280 by 576 is 16:9 WITH a pixel aspect ratio of 1.25
    DV footage digitized should be 720 by 576 pixel. The 16 by 9 display is taken care of with a setting in the Avid Project

  • Fri, May 2 2014 1:30 AM In reply to

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    Re: Can I get a simple answer ? Importing old movies...

    That is a odd frame ratio. How does a quicktime clip look when you play it using QuickTime? 

    If I was presented with material like that I would create a 1080 project, use AMA and transcode or Import to bring the material in. I'm curious how a 1280 X576 clip will look after ingest,  not sure.

    Assemble the clips, color correct. then if necessary use 3D Blend to resize the whole timeline to 4X3 within the 16X9 frame. Export a 1080 master file out for widescreen DVD or blu-ray.

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    Re: Can I get a simple answer ? Importing old movies...

    You are quite right...if I use the apple+i for info on the file it gives that strange ratio, but the actual QT inspector gives a format and size of 720 x 576 ??. I should have seen that because it looks like normal 4:3.

    But should I import at something like DNxHD 185 ? I did try AMA link and noticed in the bin colomn heading that it states "Do not modify levels" ? Can I then colour correct it ?

     

    Thanks for your help.

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  • Fri, May 2 2014 8:59 AM In reply to

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    Re: Can I get a simple answer ? Importing old movies...

    I used AMA link to bring clips in, do I then select a clip and transcode it ?  When I try I get an error message Exception:Failed to get the sample position from the AMA Plug-in

     

    Thanks

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  • Fri, May 2 2014 9:12 AM In reply to

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    Re: Can I get a simple answer ? Importing old movies...

    I have been given an about 90 mins worth of home movies as QT movies, originally shot as 4:3 Pal, Mini DV tape. This was digitised using Quicktime 7.  ............  The Codec is DVC - PAL.

     

     

    Hi Mark, and thanks for the useful info, now that we also know thats it Pal Sd please setup a new project with these same properties so Pal 25 i is what you might want it to be.

    Once a clip is ama linked try to first select " consolidate " to see if the codec comes in natively.

    If not do a try with transcoding to Dv 50 to see how that works out

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  • Fri, May 2 2014 9:39 AM In reply to

    Re: Can I get a simple answer ? Importing old movies...

    Mark:

    But should I import at something like DNxHD 185 ?

    DNxHD 185 is a HD resolution.  For SD, you shouldn't be in a HD project.  A PAL project should be fine.

    SD media is ALWAYS the same pixel count, whether it's 4:3 or 16:9.  The aspect ratio is determined by the shape of the pixels.  So, I'm a little unclear - your raster size is 720x576, but is it properly displayed when it's 4:3, or when it's 16:9?  Whichever it is, set the aspect ratio of your project to that.

    As mjolnarn said, try to AMA link and consolidate the clips in a project that's at your same size (PAL) and frame rate.  DV-PAL is an Avid-native format, so you should be able to consolidate without transcoding.

    When you link, if you're in MC7, you can use FrameFlex to set your clips' aspect ratio.  If you're in earlier versions, enable the "Reformat" column in your bin and set the clips' reformat settings there.  As I said, SD is the same raster size whether it's 4:3 or 16:9, so you might need to manually tell the software which one your footage is.

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  • Fri, May 2 2014 10:53 AM In reply to

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    Re: Can I get a simple answer ? Importing old movies...

    usatraveler:
    So, I'm a little unclear - your raster size is 720x576, but is it properly displayed when it's 4:3, or when it's 16:9?

    It is properly displayed as 4:3.

    So this is what I understand I should do...Create a project format of 25i PAL but I am outputing to 16:9 DVD. AMA link the files to bring them in, then consolidate them, I am not clear about what the consolidation is for, when I do that I still have this Do Not modify levels comment in GFX-Video Level column. ?

    So what if I set my project to 25i PAL. Import the files as DV 25 420 MXF then change the Project format to 1080i/50 because I want the 4:3 image pillerboxed in a 16:9 final output.

    It's a slow way to import I know, but seems the most straight-forward ?

     

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    Re: Can I get a simple answer ? Importing old movies...

    I now see that I don't need to alter the project size because I can be in 25i PAL and 16:9 so no need to change it ?

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  • Fri, May 2 2014 11:24 AM In reply to

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    Re: Can I get a simple answer ? Importing old movies...

    You´re mixing apples and pears here and 1080 is HD whilst Dvd is SD.

    Lets concentrate on getting the media correct inside avid, after that avid is fully able to handle the sd aspects correct for creation of an SD file that can be used in your Dvd authoring application.

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  • Fri, May 2 2014 1:00 PM In reply to

    Re: Can I get a simple answer ? Importing old movies...

    Mark:

    usatraveler:
    So, I'm a little unclear - your raster size is 720x576, but is it properly displayed when it's 4:3, or when it's 16:9?

    It is properly displayed as 4:3.

    So this is what I understand I should do...Create a project format of 25i PAL but I am outputing to 16:9 DVD. AMA link the files to bring them in, then consolidate them, I am not clear about what the consolidation is for, when I do that I still have this Do Not modify levels comment in GFX-Video Level column. ?

    So what if I set my project to 25i PAL. Import the files as DV 25 420 MXF then change the Project format to 1080i/50 because I want the 4:3 image pillerboxed in a 16:9 final output.

    It's a slow way to import I know, but seems the most straight-forward ?

     

    Why make a 16:9 DVD?  If you make a 4:3 DVD, your player and screen will display it properly pillarboxed on a 16:9 screen, and properly display it full on a 4:3.

    If you make a 16:9-native DVD from 4:3 material, what'll happen on a 4:3 screen is that it'll display a letterboxed AND pillarboxed video - which doesn't look very good - so you might as well work in 4:3 all the way.

    Work in PAL 4:3 all the way - definitely all the way through Avid - or you'll be wasting screen space on unnecessary black pixels.

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  • Fri, May 2 2014 1:47 PM In reply to

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    Re: Can I get a simple answer ? Importing old movies...

    Ok thanks for that, my reason was I was worried that often peoples TV's and palyers do not read a 4:3 ratio correct and it gets stretched into 16:9, but your logic seems sound. Thanks for all the help on this I can now see the wood in the trees.

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  • Fri, May 2 2014 4:14 PM In reply to

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    Re: Can I get a simple answer ? Importing old movies...

    Mark:

    Hi

    I have been given an about 90 mins worth of home movies as QT movies, originally shot as 4:3 Pal, Mini DV tape. This was digitised using Quicktime 7. The files are 1280 x 576. The Codec is DVC - PAL.

    I have to assemble an hours worth of this footage, colour correct and resize and then produce a 16:9 dvd at the end of the edit. What format do I start with in Avid and why ? What are the best options for importing so the poor quality footage doesn't get any worse ? I have been looking online for hours for answers but now cannot see the wood for the trees...help

    This is a big favour I am doing for an old family friend

     

    thank you

    A little off topic, but why are you using Media Composer?

  • Fri, May 2 2014 4:55 PM In reply to

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    Re: Can I get a simple answer ? Importing old movies...

    Dan:

    Mark:

     

    I have to assemble an hours worth of this footage, colour correct and resize and then produce a 16:9 dvd at the end of the edit.

    A little off topic, but why are you using Media Composer?

    Not the OP but he 1 : seems to own a version of Media Composer and 2 : wants to do what he describes above.

    I know of no better application for doing this especially as he obviously owns it Smile

     

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  • Fri, May 2 2014 5:41 PM In reply to

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    Re: Can I get a simple answer ? Importing old movies...

    I wouldn't want to do it in iMovie or FCP. I am using a 30 day Trial version of MC. Nothing is simple in ediitng but the cut. I will be buying MC 7  ASAP

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