I have reluctantly upgraded to 6.5 from 5.5.3 because the facility I'm at currently decided to make the move and it was becoming too much of a hassle to hand my 5.5 projects off to assistants who were working on 6.0.3 systems. There are plenty of things I like about 6, and most of the things I dislike I'm sure I will get accustomed to over time. But one thing is just KILLING me and that's the response time on the trim mode. I am a trim junky. I am constantly trimming cuts 1, 2, 3, 20 frames in the blink of an eye and looping the playback instantly. It's how I refine my cuts. It's by far the most important function of MC for my workflow and I rely on it being FAST and RESPONSIVE to my shortcut keys to keep my flow going as I edit. In 6 there is such a lag when I hit the frame trim buttons. I'm used to being able to tap in 3 or 4 frames and have the trim happen almost instantaneously. Now there's a good quarter to half second lag as MC moves the edit each...individual...frame. Even when i bring my playback quality all the way down to full yellow it still lags enough to be a huge nuisance.
I updated to 6.5 hoping this would be a big enough upgrade to fix the problem (and the overall speed of the system) but no dice. Has anyone come up with any way to address this?
Welcome to the club, Eric.
I wish avid would chime in and at least inform us of the current situation with the Open I/O architecture and let us know if there's real fix on their plans.
This is something I've been strugling for almost a year and until now, no solutions were provided by any of the parts. The best feature of Avid MC, the trim tool, is useless using our hardware. And, there seems to be the same problem with BlackMagic boards.
I thought a .5 upgrade would give us this, at least.
It seems a lot of people that owned MXO's moved to other hardware makers. Well, for now, the only ones that really work seem to be AJA and Avid.
this has been an ongoing issue with 6.x from the get go.
The trim mode, is the only thing keeping me from editing in other apps by choice. No other app can come close qhen it works good.
At the moment im getting "useable" trim with Blackmagics 9.5.3 driver. Useaable meaning there is a lag between my button presses, but its not quite slow enough to make me think i could work faster in another app.
FWIW i get the same performance in 6.0.3 as i do in 6.5. And wether in in yellow/green, green, or 10bit, the performance doesnt vary.
That said, when i disable the BM card. MC flies in trim mode. Thia is all we want is the same function wether using hardware or not.
Yeah, see also here: http://community.avid.com/forums/t/111788.aspx
I had this performance issues also with Nitris DX (earlier MC6 version, I'm not sure it it's fixed, already) and some people seeing it in software mode, also. I can't tell because I'm working with MC 5.5 and will do so until I read something new here.
It definitely seems like the problem is the Matrox MXO box. When I switch off the external display the system flies - absolutely no delay in the trim mode at all. Faster than 5.5 even.
We have a few other systems here running 6.0.3 with Mojo's that run a BIT faster, but still much more of a delay than with no external breakout box running. I've heard that Black Magic cards might run better. Anyone have any suggestions for an external display system that won't bog down Media Composer? I'm fine working with no display when I don't have clients in the room, but I don't always have that luxury.
Aja certainly works well, and Motu apparently too. I tried BMD but for me it's still too slow.
I moved to a BM Intensity Pro after finally growing completely disgusted with my Matrox MXO2 Mini's performance. Maybe I'm only tolerating the BM because of how bad the Matro performed? But at least it's usable. Nowhere near what 5.5 was though. If somebody could confirm that AJA works like the Matrox under 5.5, I'd make the move in a heartbeat.
Yeah... Chris has been on the circle as long as me. Maybe we should start an AA or something. I'm was afraid BMD would be the same, that's a bummer with all the Resolve love around.
Now seriously, I have on internal knowledge that the issue on Open I/O has not been fixed. They had a long term fix planned but it seems that .5 upgrade and 10 months is not long term enough.
This issue needs to be fixed now! You are alienating your costumers, Avid. Have you openned a avchd card on a CS6 lately? It's just ridiculously fast and all we want is our trim tool as it was before all this 64 bit badah badah upgrade.
Maybe we should start a protest in front of Avid HQ. Yes, I am frustated.
This has been a problem version 6.0 and I for one has adressed this numerous times on this forum.
As I see it, Avid doesn't seem to listen to this, probably because there are so many editors that don't use hardware so the issue might not be adressed as the serious subject it is.
We payed for version 6.0 to get 64bit speed of the entire software but it's slower then ever because of this issue.So we payed for something that we did't recieve and now we should pay for a version 6.5 that still doesn't have this issue fixed.
Avid needs to fix this soon, but I guess they don't give a shait.
64 bit, GPU acceleration, better AMA, better exports with GPU acceleration, better grading with true secondary and lift gamma gain,
higher resolutions (4K, 5K etc.) and a video stream online (for directors being far away on the phone or
That would blow ANY competition away and it will be
future-proof MC for a long time.
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