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  • Sat, Jan 7 2012 9:08 PM

    • danny
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    field order fixing

    Another thing I miss from FCP7 coming back to MC is the "change field order" filter. ON FCP7 you just drop an effect on the clip and the filed order is reversed. Simples.

    Related, but slightly different problem is when the field order is correct but the fileds are out of kilter with the frames. Again, from my time with FCP7 there is a purchase-able plug-in that can fix that too.

    Is there anything on MC5/6 that can easily fix either or both of these all too common problems?

  • Sat, Jan 7 2012 10:44 PM In reply to

    Re: field order fixing

    Drop a timewarp effect on the clip, open the motion effects editor, choose "blended interpolated" for type, "interlace" for input and "progressive" for output.

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  • Sat, Jan 7 2012 11:19 PM In reply to

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    Re: field order fixing

    Larry thanks for replying, but my request is not to turn it into progressive and lose the fields; it's to retain the interlacing but shift the field order. I once saw a demonstration on Avid by someone who used masks to blank out every upper field and then every lower field and then edit them back into the timeline in a different order - took forever! On FCP7 you get to take it for granted that you drop a filter on it and it's fixed.

    The second problem is when the fields are in the correct order - it's just that they don't coincide with the frames! It's a different problem to "wrong field order" - believe me, I've tried to fix it. The only thing that fixed it was Joe's filters plug-in for FCP. You could specify which frame had what fileds and in what order. Again, simple but not available for Avid as far as I know. Please Avid can you add these in a future release.

  • Sat, Jan 7 2012 11:44 PM In reply to

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    Re: field order fixing

    Not that this will help you, but in Avid DS, field invert is a standard effect.

    Good luck,

    Jef

     

     

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  • Sat, Jan 7 2012 11:45 PM In reply to

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    Re: field order fixing

    +1.

    In the early days of TV in this country field dominance was reversed to what it is now.  Working with archival media can thus become a nightmare.  Deinterlacing isn't a fix, since that will often get your finished project rejected.  We need two field order fixes, with two sub varients.

    The first is the in-frame fix, where odd lines are shifted one way and even lines the other.  The two sub-variants would be the direction in which the shift occurs.

    The other fix is field offsetting.  In sub-variant 1, field 1 is duplicated in frame 1, field 2 becomes the new field 1 in frame 2, frame 2 field 1 becomes frame 2 field 2, and so on.  The last field is dropped.  In sub-variant 2, field 1 of frame 1 is dropped and the field shift happens in the reverse direction, with field 2 of the last frame being duplicated to maintain duration.

    Field offsetting would require the ability to correct for audio sync issues.

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  • Fri, Jun 8 2012 1:06 PM In reply to

    Re: field order fixing

    + another one. That FCP filter is v useful.

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  • Sat, Sep 8 2012 8:23 PM In reply to

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    Re: field order fixing

    +1 to the addition of this fix in Avid.

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  • Sat, Sep 8 2012 9:57 PM In reply to

    Re: field order fixing

    The SpeedRamp plugin from 3Prong lets you do many things, including swapping fields. I bought it many years ago, before Avid had the advanced Motion Effects it has today, but I haven't had it installed for some time now, so I'm not sure if it is still working with current versions. But there's a free trial versions.

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  • Sun, Sep 9 2012 2:19 AM In reply to

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    Re: field order fixing

    From the 3Prong website: "SpeedRamP requires Media/Film Composer 10.1, Symphony 3.1, Avid Xpress 4.1, Avid Xpress DV 2.0, or later."

    It sounds like no development has happened recently, Job.  It may not be available as a 64-bit application.

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  • Tue, Sep 11 2012 3:41 PM In reply to

    Re: field order fixing

    Here's a tutorial with some custom effect filters that will help you with field inverting

    http://avidscreencast.com/2009/11/04-changing-field-order/

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  • Tue, Sep 11 2012 5:25 PM In reply to

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    Re: field order fixing

    Exactly!!! I read this years ago. That's why I wrote to the feature request forum. It shouldn't have to be like this!

    A common cause of problems I have found is when ripping dvd's (legaly) using DVDxDV Pro which results in a great quality QT file, but often the fields out of kilter. Joe's Field Fixer (for FCP7) can sort it out - instantly.

    I would urge AVID editors to check out Joe's Filters plugin:

    http://www.joesfilters.com/joes_field_fixer

    If Avid isn't going to add this feature to MC - and I see no evidence over the years - maybe Joe's Filters would be interested in adapting their FCP plugin. There seems to be a growing market out there (with FCP 7ers switching (back) to Avid, and feeling, "where did all those useful fx tools go?

  • Tue, Sep 11 2012 5:57 PM In reply to

    Re: field order fixing

    Use AMA to link to the file and you can change the field order on the fly. Importing is legacy now move with the times.

    Much better to have the ability to change the field order as part of the linking processing than bog down with effects in the timeline.

    And the problem with the FCP filter idea was people could add them by mistake or remove them by mistake. The most significant content that has field order issues (and normally as part of a mixture of content some rigth and soem wrong) comes from legacy FCP.

     

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  • Tue, Sep 11 2012 7:16 PM In reply to

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    Re: field order fixing

    I'm not talking about field order as you speak ie: upper vs lower. I'm talking about when you get the fields out of kilter with the frames - field 1, say, from one frame combined with field 2 from the previous frame. This is a completely different issue.

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